Posted 24 January 2010 – 13:05

I’ve done b’ all on the layout for a bit whilst other priorities have taken over, I bit the bullet last weekend and started to finish off the final bits of the layout, principally the three remaining signals – after this all thats got to go on is the point rodding and two ground signals. Oh and do the signal operating mechs! and maybe paint the backscene.

Two of the signals got planted on the Jubilee Crossing return board today. The tall one is an LMS lattice post job that was high for sighting round the curve at Jubilee Crossing – the other is an ex L and Y wooden post deliberately short for exactly the same reason, sighting through the Two Bridges Road overbridge.

When originally planned i wasnt going to do these , but along with the platelayers hut they were such a quirky feature between New Hey and Shaw that i couldnt resist building them. Photographed in te garage, forgot how cold it is working in there!

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#2 Wibble

Member 24 January 2010 – 13:11

Looking good Andy. Are they removable for transport, or permanent fixtures?

#3 Andy C

Posted 24 January 2010 – 13:46

They are a permanent fix – being situated at the end of the board, and fairly close to the backscene im hoping a combination of the end protectors and the backscene will provide protection – a wooden ######?Posted Image Posted ImageAt the moment the operating mechs are liley to be some latching solenoids I got a few years ago for this purpose, driving through an omega loop into an already constructed brass angle crank. Having said that Ive been very impressed with the servo mechanisms that have gone underneatgh Dewsbury Midland’s signals recently, but that would involve another re-wire!(edit) I never knew that a doncom was a naughty word !!!!

#4 Leander

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Posted 24 January 2010 – 14:35

Oh b*****, y’mean, we’ll have to remember to pull signals off and put ’em back on again? ;)

#5 Andy C

Posted 24 January 2010 – 14:44

View PostLeander, on 24 January 2010 – 14:35 , said:

Oh b*****, y’mean, we’ll have to remember to pull signals off and put ’em back on again? http://www.rmweb.co….efault/wink.gif

Yes indeedy and in the correct order!

#6 coachmann

Posted 24 January 2010 – 14:54

Good to see you and Newhey back on here. Posted ImageTruth to tell this winter has not been the time to perform layout tasks…..more an indoor gluing and soldering winter really, and adding more rolling stock to the fleets. I should remember those signals at ‘Jubilee’ but I can’t for some reason.

#7 Andy C

Posted 24 January 2010 – 16:30

Coach – the signals are actually just in front of Two Bridges Road overbridge, I just call the board Jubilee crossing to avoid confusion as ultimately that is the next reference point up the line !Ive just fitted the last signal in place – an awkward one as it needed some woodwork and its in the bottom of the cutting. just tried to upload the photos but its not letting me – Hmmm back to tuba practise thenPosted Image

#8 Andy C

Posted 24 January 2010 – 16:45

IMG_5015.JPGJust put the B flat Bass down and tried again:This is the New Hey advance home controlling entry into the station and protecting the crossover just under the Huddersfield Road bridge. A tall wooden post job its all MSE components this one although the platform is scratchbuilt:
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heres another of this mornings work to try to put it into context Coach!
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And some of the mechanisms Ive made
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The solenoid should push / pull the crank via as I said earlier an Omega loop. Stops need to be fitted once the cranks are in place to ensure there is no overtravel either way.

#9 Pannier Tank

Hi Andy,You are doing a great job with ‘New Hey’.A few questions:-

Where can the Solenoid’s be obtained?
It looks like they are ‘Pulled’ by energising and sprung return?

Finally what is the toal travel of the solenoid

#10 Andy C

Posted 25 January 2010 – 17:42

View PostPannier Tank, on 24 January 2010 – 17:14 , said:

Hi Andy,You are doing a great job with ‘New Hey’.A few questions:-

Where can the Solenoid’s be obtained?
It looks like they are ‘Pulled’ by energising and sprung return?

Finally what is the toal travel of the solenoid

I got them off Andrew Hartshorne at MSE but on observation they are a standard RS product so they are probably cheaper from the RS catalogue.

Ive not yet fired it up in anger, will possibly get the chance to do so tomorrow so when I do will keep you posted on the travel and how they work.

#11 Dutch_Master

Posted 25 January 2010 – 18:52

Andy, in the era you model, would these signals be operated electrically or with a wire and lever system? In case of the latter, you could increase prototypicalness by adding the bouncing of the arm to its stops ;) I’ve seen something like that in a Dutch magazine ions ago, so if you want the diagram(s) as a reference I’d have to dig that issue up.

#12 Andy C

Posted 25 January 2010 – 23:04

They are all operated from wires – I had wondered abount introducing “bounce” but Ive yet to find one which looks realistic – its one of those things that just does not seem to scale down!

#13 Dutch_Master

Posted 26 January 2010 – 05:16

IIRC the article made use of a horizontal pendulum, controlled at the bottom by the relay (left/right) which then swung to its new low point, taking the arm via wires with it. Compare to a door not hung properly: it’ll try to find its lowest point and settle there… :) I’ll look for the article later today or tomorrow.

#14 D.J.K.

Posted 30 January 2010 – 20:08

I’ll be interested to see what sort of action you get from those relays Andy….  The Merg boards are now operational on Dewsbury…. They work Ok, but need some fine tuning…. It may be the servos I’ve used, but some of the arms seem to get a little jerky if you try to slow the motion down to much.Anyway we’ll see how they perform at Rochdale……….Cheers Dave

#15 coachmann

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Posted 31 January 2010 – 11:31

I thought this was your Jubilee nutty-slack central heating boiler….Posted Image
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#16 Andy C

Posted 31 January 2010 – 12:42

View PostPannier Tank, on 24 January 2010 – 17:14 , said:

Hi Andy,You are doing a great job with ‘New Hey’.A few questions:-

Where can the Solenoid’s be obtained?
It looks like they are ‘Pulled’ by energising and sprung return?

Finally what is the toal travel of the solenoid

David

just measured the solenoid travel, its 6mm. That means using the angle cranks on the inner and outer holes on respective arms I may just get away without having to put stops on to limit travel.

Coach

Thats the whistle off a dubdeee!!

#17 Pannier Tank

Posted 31 January 2010 – 13:21

View PostAndy C, on 31 January 2010 – 12:42 , said:

Davidjust measured the solenoid travel, its 6mm. That means using the angle cranks on the inner and outer holes on respective arms I may just get away without having to put stops on to limit travel.

Andy, many thanks for the info. 6mm travel is ideal for my application.

#18 Andy C

Posted 25 February 2010 – 12:49

Well after the enforced coitus interruptus for the Rochdale show, I decided to start work on the point rodding in the hope that at York in a months time the layout will finally have the last detail on.I had acquired some packs of the much lauded and sought after Colin Waite etches, Ok they are based on a GW prototype but in the absence of anything else thats remotely reasonable….After a weekend of cutting them out and attempting to build the stools Im a gibbering wreck. It took me a full weekend to part lose assemble 8 stools, and Ive another 60 plus to go.  If the US Marines had given this stuff to Iraqui prisoners to do in Abu Grabh, then they would be up before the international court of human rights before you could say Bush. Waterboarding is childs play in comparison.

As always the Cooper inventive turn of mind is at work and I do think I have an effective workaround, but Id love to hear from others their recommendations for point rodding (The answer “dont bother” will not be accepted!!)

*The auto deletion refers to an act of congress between two consenting adults

#19 Miss Prism

  • LocationThe Manor House, Woolton, near Tunbridge Wells

Posted 25 February 2010 – 14:25

View PostAndy C, on 25 February 2010 – 12:49 , said:

…but in the absence of anything else thats remotely reasonable….

All point rodding etches are a pain, but the Brassmasters ones are probably a little bit more reasonable than the CW ones.

#20 Andy C

Posted 25 February 2010 – 14:43

View PostMiss Prism, on 25 February 2010 – 14:25 , said:

All point rodding etches are a pain, but the Brassmasters ones are probably a little bit more reasonable than the CW ones.

I did look at the Brassmasters ones this weekend as a replacement, and then costed it out for my total requirments given the length of run and rods. Ouch.

#21 Miss Prism

Posted 25 February 2010 – 14:49

View PostAndy C, on 25 February 2010 – 14:43 , said:

Ouch.

Fair enough. You should have sold the CW ones to the GWR nutters and financed the Brassmasters from the proceeds!

#22 Andy C

Posted 25 February 2010 – 17:14

View PostMiss Prism, on 25 February 2010 – 14:49 , said:

Fair enough. You should have sold the CW ones to the GWR nutters and financed the Brassmasters from the proceeds!

Indeed miss P, I still have a complete pack of stools (no not those stools) and 1 of cranks – any offers Gasworks fans?Posted Image

#23 Andy C

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Posted 06 March 2010 – 16:42

The point rodding work around has been implemented and as its going to be viewed at a distance looks OK for the foot or so already completed – hopefully this weekend will see the back broken of the job, I just need to paint and install it then Posted ImageThe signal operating mechs took a turn for the better this week when i prefabricated and drilled out the latcj=hing solenoid brackets – Just got to get the North west Area Brass Band contest out of the way next weekend and it wuill be full steam ahead for the York show preparation.

#24 Andy C

  • LocationRochdale

Posted 07 March 2010 – 16:56

Some work has been done despite the best attentions of the hounds and a flying visit from the younger son on his way back to Glencoe. The signal operating mechs have been completed – just need to fix them under the baseboard and see if they work now Posted ImageIMG_5105.JPGIMG_5106.JPG

Also heres a shot of the point rodding work around – the top runners are soldered across the rods at 9′ (36mm) intervals – I may solder the side brackets on but as this is being viewed at a distance, I now may not bother and just go for cosmetic effect.

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#25 Andy C

Posted 28 March 2010 – 18:25

Generally speaking ive got all the stock I need to run the layout and a bit to spare but every so often I think I must have one or two of those to make the layout. The first such thought was when bachman released the Presflos, but for various reason I wasnt able to get the “Bulk Cement” branded ones I wanted and life is too short to rebrand the only two I ever found, Tunnel cement variants. I can wait for the next batch though!

So when at Nottingham show last weekend when I was chatting to Trevor of Cheltenham Models, I noticed he had some of the new Bachman cattle wagons and not wanting to get caught out again, hand went to walletPosted Image In Richard Greenwood’s “LMS steam on the ex Land Y” theres a picture of an L and Y class 23 saddle tank coming out of Royton Junction, bound for Moston via New Hey with two cattle trucks behind the engine, so the purchase was a foregone conclusion. I do have two unopened Airfix cattle wagon kits but they can now stay in their boxes, as all vintage airfix kits should be these days!

The new purchases have been converted to EM – as usual with bachman wagons the wheels just drop in with a bit of judicial surgery to the wheel wells (you have to shave the outside edge so the wheels fit and move out the brake blocks to stop them fouling he wheels.

Today they went under the dirt dispenser. The fist pic is a before and after shot

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and a close up:

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And next we have both as the finished articles

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The other thing recently picked up from the trade is a Vauxhall Victor FB. Most of the vehicles on New Hey hold a certain significance, for a start the Viva HA on the layout CYL 544C is my first car, gifted to me by my Uncle Bert who lived just above New Hey station on Huddersfield Rd. The Victor is no exception, my Dad had one in this very colour and in 1973 on my 17th Birthday, and the aquistion of a provisional licence, this was the first car I ever drove – front bench seat and a 3 speed column change!!

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It had to be weathered!!

coachmann

Posted 28 March 2010 – 21:25

I suppose there must be a good reason for running a LYR 0-6-0 Saddle tank withdrawn in the early 1960s with cattle wagons carrying late 1960’s style of livery markings? Are these wagons not available in an earlier BR livery?Larry

#27 Andy C

Posted 29 March 2010 – 11:53

View Postcoachmann, on 28 March 2010 – 21:25 , said:

I suppose there must be a good reason for running a LYR 0-6-0 Saddle tank withdrawn in the early 1960s with cattle wagons carrying late 1960’s style of livery markings? Are these wagons not available in an earlier BR livery?Larry

Seemples (exit meercat mode) They are going right behind the tender on the later liveried dubdee on the long fitted freight as there was little if any livestock traffic on the line at the time modelled. The 23 is on the pick up Target 36 goods which by that time was mainly coal and some van traffic!

They are available in the early livery but I decided as they were going on the long fitted, the latter livery would be more appropriate.

#28 Andy C

Posted 06 April 2010 – 17:01

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#29 ullypug

Posted 07 April 2010 – 07:02

good to finally see New Hey in the flesh. The B&B was very quiet yesterday morning too!

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#30 62659

Andrew,I think Vulcan’s suggesting you get two cups of tea (whilst I’m showing you the back of my T-shirt!).Phil

#31 Leander

Posted 07 April 2010 – 09:19

My goodness – that side on profile gets even less flattering.

#32 Andy C

Posted 07 April 2010 – 17:42

As that photo looks like it was taken on Monday morning I was either operating at that moment or – well lets just say in the words of Peter Kay “Give it ten”Posted Image

#33 ullypug

Posted 07 April 2010 – 19:55

I think you were down the front on the right hand side. I was trying to take a sneaky pic whilst no one was looking. Here’s another.

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#34 Andy C

Posted 13 April 2010 – 19:34

Prompted by a superb picture taken by John Howell (26Power) I thought Id respond to a longstanding request from a few people as to how I built the pointwork.pointwork.jpgmany thanks to John for the permision to use the photo.

The trackwork itself was all plotted out using Templot – using the L and Y track plans as a template for accurate positioning of the points. Whilst plain track is C&L flexi (not without its problems and not stuff the MMRS or myself will be using again in a rush) The main pointwork is all scratchbuilt on ply sleepers using code 75 Bull Head rail and the absolutely superb P4 track Company chairs.

Picture 1 is of a demo piece I constructed on a piece of scrap 9mm ply to, as Mr Fred Dibnah used to put it “Demonsterate” the building.

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It shows the templot template fixed by photomount to the board, the ply sleepers are then PVA’d onto the template. Look closley and you can spot pilot holes drilled through the sleeper and the board every 5th sleeper or so, and a group of holes around the crossing Vee. Half inch brass panel pins as seen in the foreground are then (gently) hammered through the pilot holes to leave the head standing proud by about 20 thou (I use a scrap piece of nickel silver etch as a guide)

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Chairs are threaded onto the rail and then positioned over the sleepers, and where the brass pin is, the rail is tack soldered to the pin. The intermediate plastic chairs are not fixed at this point, but the rails tack soldered along its length. All New Heys pontwork was built directly onto the baseboard.

In the meantime I’ve also built the Vee as a solid unit on the bench using the South Hants society jigs – it can then be soldered to the pins in position before adding the next stock rail. The joy of not fixing the plastic chairs up to this point is it alows you to adjust the gauge and clearances before its all permanently fixed using butanone on the chairs – i find the chairs key quite well onto the grain of the ply, though I do know some use “Poly Pipe” as a plasticising agent on the sleeper before fixing the chair. I stain the chairs after this process suing a Colron dark oak wood dye – which looks remarkably like a well creosolted sleeper – and actual smells not unlike it as well!

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The other benefit of this method is that below the baseboard, you have a couple of mil of panel pin showing. I use the term benefit lightly as Ive lost count of the time Ive caught my hand on exposed pins, but as shown in the pic above it provides a brilliant locator pin for track feeds without having to take wire through the baseboard. Just remember to take a slitting disk to the ones not used so you dont rip your hand every time you go beneath the baseboards Posted Image . Under the point Vees Ive bonded some wire between the 6 or so pins the Vee is soldered to, ensuring there is always a feed to this critical part.

The tie bars are bits of copperclad which has been milled thinner on the cross piece, but a bigger “spade” shape left on the part under the closure rails where a good soldered joint is neccessary. Its basicaly shaped like a dogs bone!

Ive been using this method for about 15 years now and really am totally sold on it, although on New Hey’s successor I shall be using P4 track company point kits.

#35 jwealleans

York was the first time I’ve seen this and it didn’t disappoint. I shall look forward to catching it again in the future.That was a good little group of layouts in that corner of the ground floor – it was obvious that some thought had gone into laying out the show.

#36 Andy C

Posted 17 May 2010 – 11:55

A very successful show at Expo EM at Bracknell for the layout, as at York things just ran and ran with hardly any problems, so different from the debacle of just a year ago. Whats more we even had the programmed shunting moves in so there always was something moving on the front of the layout. Two new additions to the roster made their debut:First the Ivatt Mickey Mouse on the engineers train:Ivatt web.JPG

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Its a Bachman with Romfords on the main drivers for the conversion, and Gibson tender and pony truck wheels – the original tender wheels were pulled out but it was quite obvious, as i seem to frequently get with Bachman wheels that one was more square than round. A quick visit across the aisle to see Colin of Alan Gibson soon put that to rights! The rest of the train is 3 Heljan Dogfish (an absolute b*gg*r to convert to EM), Hornby Shark out of view and assorted opens with sleeper loads, Parkside and Bachy. weathring is a combination of dirt from the airbrush and powders, its in an appaling state but so was the real one of a photo Ive got on a similar train. The eagle eyed will notice an LMS smokebox door number – this is purely because this silly person forgot to put the 247 Developments number plate on, Its currently say on my workbench!

The next new arrival is an 8F Hornby, and the first example where Ive never had to renumber a loco as its an Agecroft engine, and did visit the loop.

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I converted this to EM in one evening, using a GW wheel puller to pull out the original Hornby wheels to EM. Unlike Bachman steam driving wheels Hornby have enough meat on them to do this – Unfotunately Bachys strange addition of a plastic ###### on the end of a 2mm stub on the axle makes it difficult to achieve a successful wheel pull. Front pony truck and tender wheels are Romfords and the issue received a mild weathering as opposed to the downright filth and knackered state of the Ivatt. Heres the pair together.

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A few different perspectives on the Shaw return board became apparent – for once Id time and space to set up the tripod!. The 9f on the long unloaded coal and the Dubdee

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And this close up of Iron Duke emerging from under Two Bridges Road

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After the debate on the recent York show thread about the lack of DMUs, and Pennine MC’s quick riposte about the 7 car special, heres it as running at Expo EM, again a once every so often working rather than a regular.

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And last of all a shot of a new working now known as “son of Red Bank” – an parcels from Oldham Clegg Street on a down working. This won’t feature too regularly as the designated fiddleyard road wont hold that many vehicles but it was good to run a longish rake of assorted odds and sods, and its fun to do!

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All that remains to be done on the layout now is actually ger the signals working!!

#37 Andy C

Posted 15 August 2010 – 10:46

A sudden look at the calendar reveals that Expo EM North and the Halifax show a fortnight later are approaching. better get my finger out and finish off the new chassis for the Aspinall 0-6-0 that Ive scratchbuilt!!IMG_5929.JPGIMG_5930.JPG

I used the MMRS pantograph miller on some patterns already in existence, made by Ralp Robertson. Its sprung using the Comet hornblock system and, when it goes in, has a Comet box and Mashima 2012. I had to replace the old box after York when the gears stripped, but found the new gearbox was a tad wider which distorted the rames – It was a back to the drawing board job!!

#38 coachmann

Posted 15 August 2010 – 13:23

Good to see an update Andy. Concerning your latest locos, those Markits bogie wheels just do not look the biscuit on the 8F, or indeed any Stanier locomotive. Gibson does a much better shaped bevel-rim Stanier wheel. Hope you don’t mind me mentioning this.
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#39 Andy C

Posted 15 August 2010 – 16:20

View Postcoachmann, on 15 August 2010 – 13:23 , said:

Good to see an update Andy. Concerning your latest locos, those Markits bogie wheels just do not look the biscuit on the 8F, or indeed any Stanier locomotive. Gibson does a much better shaped bevel-rim Stanier wheel. Hope you don’t mind me mentioning this.
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Not at all Larry, when I put them on I looked somewhat askance at them and thought ughh! but then completely forgot – funnily enough they are on the mental shopping list when I see Colin again at Expo North in a few weeks time.

They were only replaced because the Hornby ones would pull out to EM successfuly (unlike the drivers) and happended to be in a box with a Comet 8F chassis in it which is waiting in the wings.

#40 Andy C

Posted 05 September 2010 – 21:06

One of the great interferences of getting on with modelling is the small matter of organising the MMRS show, particularly at this time of year, phone calls, dealing with correspondence etc. I suddenly realised by this time next week Expo North will be over and done and the A class had nothing done to it since those last pictures, so I shut myself off from the world this afternoon, stuck the CD player on the workbench on with 4 CDs in it – Peatbog Faeries, Gorillaz, Rory Gallagher, and the Colliery Bands – and got on with it.The GW wheelpress worked a treat as usual, perfect running chassis first time. That was till I dropped some superglue onto the wormwheel! Hopefully thats sorted out now but i did have to requarter!IMG_6117.JPG

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Also did a bit more on the Gibson 3F chassis as well, soon as the two next shows are over, Expo and Halifax, then work commences in earnest on finishing this off.

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All this and a P4 layout to think about startingto build as well!

#41 Gravy Train

Posted 08 September 2010 – 09:57

Hi Andy,
Does Arnold B know your dabbling in P4?
I won’t say ewt lol, nice photos.
Pete

#42 iak

Posted 08 September 2010 – 13:47

Looking forward to seeing this beastie on Sunday   B)

#43 DerekEm8

Posted 08 September 2010 – 14:05

View PostGravy Train, on 08 September 2010 – 09:57 , said:

Hi Andy,
Does Arnold B know your dabbling in P4?
I won’t say ewt lol, nice photos.
Pete

Peter,

Oh Yes he does  :lol: :lol: :lol:

#44 Andy C

Posted 21 September 2010 – 14:19

New Hey is off on its travels again this weekend, once again undertaking missionary work into the fair county of Yorkshire, land of short arms and deep pockets :DHalifax show beckons:
http://www.halifaxmrc.co.uk/  and we are amongst good company once more. If you are coming along to North Bridge Leisure Centre then say Hi to us – didnt see many of you at Slaithwaite!The New Hey web pages:  http://www.rmrg.co.u…escription.aspx

#45 Andy C

Posted 26 September 2010 – 19:58

Playing with some phots from Halifax – trying to recreate a photo in one of my books on the station:Ivatt.JPGIvatt 2.JPG

#46 BlackRat

Very nice indeed, superb pointwork to!

#47 Andy C

Posted 16 January 2011 – 21:15

After a 4 month lull in proceedings we are off to Nottingham in march, so time to start doing a few jobs. The ground signals controlling the exits from the goods yard and the layby siding have been installed – point rodding (a cosmetic affair from microstrip) will be added,  along with a chicken coop on the hillside on the cutting at St Thomas’s (hopefully!!)  Any way been doing a bit of stock work on the parcels stock, a Stove R has been converted (but not convinced this will run well given comments so far) – see the Stove R thread for the full details, and a Hawksworth full brake which was weathered today and has been adde to the stock box. Wonder if I can get my 3F completed in time or is Railex in May a more realistic proposition!!Click on the attached link for details of forthcoming shows where you can see New Hey – we are also taking further bookings for shows for any exhibition managers interested – contact me for a full prospectus.http://rmrg.co.uk/OnTour.aspx

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#48 binesrail

Posted 16 January 2011 – 23:33

I love the detail on this layout  :D  If i can get Meeth Halt to look anything like that i will be a happy man  :PChris

#49 Andy C

Posted 01 May 2011 – 07:37

Good god, that long since I posted anything and no Nottingham pictures either! (I didnt take that many!)At Halifax last September the goods yard entry point sprang a blade and when looked at, the tiebar (copperclad) had delaminated. Just before Nottingham a new tie bar was put in and the point seemed to be working but then we had a problem with the motor! It was decided after then that we would get a clear day and a few of us give the layout a good once over prior to going to Railex at  Aylesbury at the end of the month.Principally on the list was sorting out the problematical point once and for all (typically when we set the layout up in the garage it worked fine). However on trying the shunting locos through we soon discovered an intermittent splitting the point when the Jinty was hard over on the left of the rail. Judicial application of the file and a reset of the blade now appear to have sorted this niggle out. We also used the opportunity to go through all the shunting stock, cleaning and tesing, readjusting back to backs etc to make sure it all worked. Unfortunatley in this process one of my Parkside 16Ts got condemned – I dont know if anyone else has experienced this but the plastic on the underframe has gone very brittle. The problem of the dangly jumper cables was also sorted out (some very handy P clips from the excellent ALL components). One or two other bits of woodwork repair were done as well. Unfortunately we ran out of time before we could get down to making the signals work!

The weather helped as the fiddleyards and boards not being worked on got a day out on the front lawn and drive, but after shifting the layout out and back in you felt like you had done a show! My thanks to my fellow co- conspirators Martin Edmondson and Phil Taylor (in the pic below as a self fulfilling prophesy from Phil “This picture will be on a certain forum later”) and to Ian Worthington who had to leave early. Refreshment was partaken of once the layout was packed up back in the garage at the Cemetery Inn’s excellent 3 day beer festival. Greenfield Brewery’s “over and out” is thoroughly recommended, vaguely like their “Black 5” but just a tad lighter on the palate!

Really looking forward to doing Railex in a few weeks time, say Hi if you are visiting.

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#50 Andy C

Posted 02 May 2011 – 14:23

And if that bout of enthusiasm wasnt enough heres a new piece of motive power to double head with the Black 5 on the Wakes excursion. Its Patriot 45517, resident of Bank Hall Shed at Liverpool but quite a frequent visitor on various specials like this. originally the lcoc wa  destined to be Newton Heath’s EC Trench, but due to the lack of suitable etched plates (Mr Wells!!) I did it as one of the few unamed Patriots in order to get it on the layout.The main drivers are Romfords, the bogie and tender wheels Gibson. With the conversion on this for once there seemed plenty of room behind the slide bars for the leading crankpin nut to rotate – I usually end up filing it wafer thin to get enough clearance. Its a very light weathering job as well, to contrast with the Black 5 which can be seen on previous pics. Strangely enough Ive two photos of this on the loop, one at Heyside where it looks almost ex – works, and another just outside Milnrow where it looks – well quite frankly, appalling!

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Loxborough

Posted 02 May 2011 – 15:05

I really do love this layout; it seems sosparse, yet full of beautifully observed details. A lesson to all of us who are tempted to jam in more track just because there is space for it…Keep the photos coming.One quick question; I am in the early planning stages of the next layout and am trying to work out what I can get away with, visually, in terms of curves. I would love to know how tight you have gone with the curve as it runs past the old L&Y post signal towards the fiddle yard; it seems tighter than the prototype might be, but not outrageuosly so, and I would be happy to take this as my benchmark…

Thanks,

George

#52 Andy C

Posted 02 May 2011 – 17:54

Hi George, thanks very much for your kind comments, its been a bit of a labour of love and has resulted in a rollercoaster of emotion in the build. Comments like yours make it all worthwhile, and that I have achieved what I set out to do, model a location actually how it was, not how people think it should be. The whole place was sparse (and still is) and i think its that which makes the detail stand out that much more.the curve is much tighter than the actual, and has been brought in somewhat – the photograph below illustrates, as the curve through the station carried on for a few hundred yards past the bridge on Two Bridges Road. I have done the ruling radius at 4 foot minimum, alhthough I have inrtroduced a slight transition curve as the tracks get into the return curve. The 4 foot radius covers perhaps about 90 degrees at the apex of the curve. None of the stock has problems on it even the Long Wheelbase stuff. I will be repeating the 4 foot minimum radius on my next layout, North Ballachulish in P4.Photos shot some time ago – theres no track there at the moment, and trams only from next year :(

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#53 Worsdell forever

Posted 02 May 2011 – 18:09

View PostAndy C, on 01 May 2011 – 07:37 , said:

no Nottingham pictures either! (I didnt take that many!)

There’s some in the Nottingham gallery, a few from Andy Y and a couple by myself. It did look as good as usual. Posted Image

#54 Andy C

Posted 03 May 2011 – 19:47

View PostWorsdell forever, on 02 May 2011 – 18:09 , said:

There’s some in the Nottingham gallery, a few from Andy Y and a couple by myself. It did look as good as usual. http://www.rmweb.co….efault/cool.gif

Cheers Wordsell,

I’d forgotten those and in particular this one which Andy Y added the steam to as I watched – I do like it!

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#55 Loxborough

Posted 04 May 2011 – 06:59

Andy,Thanks for the confirmation about the curves. I am encouraged by what you say; I was worried about 1,8m curves looking a little too train set but it seems I will get away with them…LOVE the steamy B&W shot, by the way.

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#56 Andy C

Posted 22 May 2011 – 11:53

Two new little additions were completed today in time for Railex tthis coming weekend – a little job Ive been putting off and off because its not an essential part of the layout – information boards for the front. I’ve mused quite long about what exactly to put on them, its a thing I think will explain what the layout is about and also give an idea of the fidelity of the build. I will later put a few captions on the photos.In the end i decided for board one being a copy of the guide explanation material, plus 4  pictures, one from each “corner” of the layout plus one of the carriage destination posters from the last train on the line. Board two is 3 more historic pictures from 1914, and the very early 50s, plus a then and now (well 2008) display – theres nothing there at the moment apart from a building site where they are erecting new platforms and making clearance for the overhead catenary for Metrolink.

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#57 lmsforever

Posted 22 May 2011 – 20:09

Looking forwardto seeing the layout at Railex on the Sunday.

#58 coachmann

Posted 22 May 2011 – 20:58

Seeing pictures of your fine layout in situ in an exhibition hall, I am surprised it is not as wide as close up shots of the layout seem to indicate. This is very helpful as I am now determined to try and squeeze a little more foreground in front of the tracks in my next manifestation of Greenfield so that trains appear to run through the landscape. Your track and point work looks super Andy.

#59 Andy C

Posted 22 May 2011 – 22:18

At its widest point its 39 inches wide (the station /goods shed board gap) tapering down to 27 inches at both ends. Effectively the layout balloons out in the middle, the front fascia being dead straight.

#60 lmsforever

Posted 29 May 2011 – 14:49

A pleasure to meet you today at Raillex thank you for the tips on painting the bridge I will certainly have a go when I rebuild my layout ,the layout is a masterpiece and runs so well with brilliant stock.I have just booked my train tickets for Stafford on the 2nd July so will have another chance to see the layout,once again thanks for taking the time to chat .

#61 Andy C

Posted 29 May 2011 – 22:57

View Postlmsforever, on 29 May 2011 – 14:49 , said:

A pleasure to meet you today at Raillex thank you for the tips on painting the bridge I will certainly have a go when I rebuild my layout ,the layout is a masterpiece and runs so well with brilliant stock.I have just booked my train tickets for Stafford on the 2nd July so will have another chance to see the layout,once again thanks for taking the time to chat .

Thank you for that – a pleasure to chat with you.

Unfortunately we are not at the members day this year – but now we are running full and reliable tilt show sequence if Andy invites us to a future members day, we will be there!

Now some pics from Railex featuring some of the new additions to the layout, the Patriot on the double header and the blue 105. On Saturday evening we ran the first almost full running of the red bank empty vans – but there was only 19 vehicles in the rake led by the double headed Black 5 and Patriot. the lat photo had to go in – Ian Worthington expresses his distaste at running something blue!

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#62 Andy C

Posted 30 May 2011 – 12:41

And thanks to Penrith Beacon heres some video footage caught at Railex. Watch out for the double header!Revised link pasted in – Thanks Wordsell Forever

#63 coachmann

Posted 30 May 2011 – 13:25

Can you remember what radius your mainline curve is Andy?

#64 Andy C

Posted 30 May 2011 – 14:03

View Postcoachmann, on 30 May 2011 – 13:25 , said:

Can you remember what radius your mainline curve is Andy?

Ruling minimum radius on the curves is 4 foot Larry

#65 Worsdell forever

Posted 30 May 2011 – 14:05

Very good film although the link isn’t working properly Andy. This should work (hopefully)New Hey Video

#66 Redkiterail

Posted 30 May 2011 – 14:15

#67 Andy C

Posted 03 December 2011 – 16:20

A new loco on its way:Whilst Bachmans 3F is quite an impressive model, I was a bit offput by comments on the splashers (pernickety I know) but more importantly the odd sized 2.14 mil axles making conversion to EM an absolute swine. I really need one as well as these locos in the mid 60s were often seen working the Rose Grove – Stoke parcels via Rochdale / Oldham on the Oldham loop which is one of the workings modelled on the layout.I have owned (maturing in the wardrobe) a Gibson 3F kit for some years now, but put off building it with the prommise of Bachmans effort. So now being put off the RTR variant out came the old Gibbo box and:

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This is strictly a Wednesday evening Rochdale club night build as i dont want to intefere with track building for North Ballachulish so it will take some time but hopefully by the time we get to Glasgow SEC in february, the 3F will be pulling the train below, currently Crab hauled.

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#68 coachmann

Posted 03 December 2011 – 16:31

For some reason some pictures posted later in one of the threads showed the 3F tender loco sitting down well onto the splashers. I won’t really know for sure if any extra work is involved until mine arrives with the early crest. But the first thing I’ll be doing is placing the 3F on a scale drawing of a L&Y 3F to see if the chassis can be used.Your Newhey layout went down well with the lads from Wales when they saw it at one of the exhibitions.

#69 Andy C

Posted 26 March 2012 – 16:24

Following our trip to Ally Pally last weekend a post was made on that thread which really made me proud – someone has got exactly what Ive set out and tried to do with the layout, modeling something exactly how it is:View PostDave777, on 26 March 2012 – 08:38 , said:

The 3rd or 4th time I’ve seen New Hey and yet still a decent watch. Good selection of stock, always something moving, sparse & bleak scenic modelling.

Thank you for that Dave, its most appreciated – You get it!! Sparse and bleak is what New Hey exactly is, nestled in a Pennine valley it could be nothing else, my only regret as i explained to someone who commented that the only thing wrong is that it should be raining, was that I had though about installing shower heads on the pelmet to give the watching audience a good late June downpour, but the health and safety police may have something to say about mixing water and 240 volts on the lighting rig. :nono:

One of the aims is to have something moving across the front all the time – whilst we run to what is effectively the actual working timetable to the line, its accelerated so one train follows the next immediately its gone into the fiddleyard at the back. Inevitably there will be occasions where nowt is on front of house, but its usually only a matter of 10 -20 seconds and I reckon theres plent else to look at on the layout in that time.

Ive modelled the stock on prototype trains, although there are one or two interlopers in there, and everying gets a weathering in various degrees from one to ten. Next time you see it (Scheduled at Stockport in May, Holmfirth in October and possibly Southampton in January) there will be even more as the fiddleyard is getting 3 extra roads in the next few weeks. One will contain a tractor train – in the early 60s disused mills in The Oldham Rochdale area were used to store tractors from the Coventry area before export – usually hauled by a Nuneaton based G2. Possibly another block train too on the other side, and in the final berth a 6 car DMU. In Nanking Blue. We have photos which suggest it used the route to get to Bury Bolton Street in 1966 on a charter. :O

#70 gordon s

Posted 26 March 2012 – 16:36

Many thanks to both you and Martin for taking the time to talk about the layout and showing me New Hey from ’round the back’.  It’s always great to see how a layout is put together and I must congratulate you on a terrific layout.  The way you deal with the trailing point work in the fiddle yard was so simple, yet very effective.New Hey is a perfect example of ‘less is more’ and it started me thinking about Palmers Green which was the station where I grew up in North London.  Sundays were great with diverted ECML trains travelling up the Hertford loop before rejoin the ECML just south of Stevenage.All I need is another 12’……. ;)

#71 Andy C

Posted 26 March 2012 – 17:00

Thanks GordonWe do enjoy showing people round the business end to see how we have done things, all part of the New Hey package, Believe me if you had been there any longer you would have got a controller put in your hand – Martin was working towards it!

#72 gordon s

Posted 26 March 2012 – 17:14

I’d be happy to help out if you’re short of operators and find yourself in the south once again…It would be a pleasure to be involved with such a good layout.

#73 Andy C

Posted 27 March 2012 – 17:50

Quick sketch of how the new fiddleyard arrangement will work, the existing points in road one on the outside edge will be converted into crossovers to increase flexibility of running, as will the points on the extra loop on road 11.

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#74 Andy C

Posted 01 April 2012 – 16:32

I can’t get over this new found enthusiasm for the layout since the success of Warley, Glasgow, but most recently Ally Pally! All the constituent parts for the new fiddleyard were favricated last Wednesday night (common  Crossings) at the Rochdale club night, and this afternoon the point blades – next Wednesday evening I hope to assemble all 3 points with a bit of luck.That will leave the three points on the curves to complete. The one into road One on the outside will have to be switchable as its an entry point, but the other two are exit points and will be built on the same bladeless pricipal already used on the fiddle exits. Yes it looks like it shouldnt work, but it does. If you see me at a show ask for a look!IMG_7518.JPG

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As the laying in of the extra roads requires all the curves and fiddlkeyards to be put up, I suspect one of our infamous “working weekend” may occur before stockport in the middle of May.
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#75 Andy C

Posted 13 May 2012 – 18:16

A good weekend for the layout at the Stockport show and being far more relaxed since the last 3 biggies took some phone video shots. saturday saw the running of the Red Bank – its looking good!and some more!!Edited by Andy C, 13 May 2012 – 18:33 .

TheSignalEngineer

Posted 13 May 2012 – 18:24

Saw layout at Stockport on Saturday. Looked as good in real life as in the pictures.

#77 Leander

Posted 14 May 2012 – 09:45

Excellent videos Andy. The speed of the trains looks spot on and very convincing.Hope you had a good show, Suddaby has given a very positive report. Sorry I couldn’t be over for the weekend.

#78 Andy C

Posted 14 May 2012 – 10:07

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Was a good show Pete!Anyway, heres something out of place, but not out of place if you fast forward 47 years!IMAG0089.jpg

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and no its not mine it belongs to Savoyard. Looked at the EM conversion but thats a non starter withour major surgery to the bogies and wheels. In any case the price tag said £175, and for what you get its not THAT good – all the detail is printed on, rather reminiscent of Hornby tinplate.

#79 Andy C

Posted 15 May 2012 – 15:37

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In response to a comment from Andy Y on the gallery photos of the Tram, heres an overhead of the bit the public don’t see – and of course taken from and angle where the offending appendage cannot be seen so as not to insense those of a touchy disposition or p***s envy! Actually figure aside, Im quite pleased by the grottyness of New heys bogs – whilst I dont think by any stretch of the imagination they would have ever been “industrial” I dont think they would have been pristine either!le pissoir.jpgEdit* the resolution is not that good but for those interested, the “stream” which can vaguely be made out is actually a strand of fibre optic!
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#80 Worsdell forever

Posted 15 May 2012 – 17:54

View PostAndy C, on 15 May 2012 – 15:37 , said:

the resolution is not that good

Yes, p**s poor photo Andy… :O

Great model though. :)

#81 Andy Y

Posted 15 May 2012 – 18:05

View PostAndy C, on 15 May 2012 – 15:37 , said:

, the “stream” which can vaguely be made out is actually a strand of fibre optic!

Excellent, it can turn lurid shades of green on command. :)

#82 coachmann

Posted 15 May 2012 – 19:19

The actual  p*ss stones I remember around Oldham and district were dark grey, probably slate or flagstones painted with some special acid resistant paint?
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#83 Andy C

Posted 15 May 2012 – 21:16

View PostAndy Y, on 15 May 2012 – 18:05 , said:

Excellent, it can turn lurid shades of green on command. :)

Another DCC application coming your way :declare:

#84 Andy C

Posted 07 June 2012 – 16:14

More progress on the new stock tis afternoon when the last lowfit for the forthcoming tractor train was finished ready for painting. Ive a couple of more plate waggons to do for it but is getting there and should be ready for a roll out at Holmfirth in October.IMG_7599.JPGIMG_7602.JPG

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Apologies to those offended by such things but the baseboards trackplan they rest on is my next project, NorthBallchulish in P4

#85 ullypug

Posted 07 June 2012 – 16:51

EM wheels on P4 track? I see the Shirehampton heresy is spreading

#86 Andy C

Posted 16 July 2012 – 16:27

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Some new video footage arrived today courtesy of Black and Decker Boy:Enjoy!

#87 peanuts

Posted 16 July 2012 – 16:51

may i ask will you be moddeling the anachronism of the two pubs on the Denshaw road with the virtualy the same names ?Namley the Bird in hand & the Bird ith hand ? commonly known as the top bird and bottom birdjust to keep it prototypical ?

#88 Andy C

Posted 16 July 2012 – 18:15

View Postpeanuts, on 16 July 2012 – 16:51 , said:

may i ask will you be moddeling the anachronism of the two pubs on the Denshaw road with the virtualy the same names ?Namley the Bird in hand & the Bird ith hand ? commonly known as the top bird and bottom birdjust to keep it prototypical ?

Both pubs are just a bit too far up Huddersfield Road to model I’m afraid Peanuts. I really should, my Uncle Bert was a regular at the top Bird for some time! Howwever the real missing item is the magnificent St Thomas’s church which again, is unfortunately too far off the baseboard.

#89 Andy C

Posted 14 October 2012 – 17:09

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A foreign body appears at New HeyAs part of the forthcoming (eventually) tractor train a purchase was made last weekend at the Manchester show – one of the new exSR Pilbox brakevans from those nice people at Barwell, as these vans did get all over the place in their latter years.Im not that familiar with the prototype but out of the box it looks a little gem – and it took me all of 30 seconds to convert to EM as the wheels just pulled out and the new Gibson EM wheels go straight in without any butchery of plastic needed – and he brakeblocks are absolutely in the right place. It ran freely straight away with no furher adjustment needed. After adding the supplied brake rods and axleguards etc I decided to get on and make a start weathering it.

A bit of a touch with the weathering powders once the washes have dried and Bobs yer Uncle – this will be running at The Huddersfield Modellers show at Holmfirth in a fortnight – New Heys next outing.

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#90 Andy C

Posted 18 October 2012 – 22:11

And now the finished product with the judicial application of weathering powders – see the finished result at Holmfirth in a weeks time!pillbox 3.jpgpillbox 4.jpg

#91 Andy C

Posted 28 October 2012 – 20:57

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Good weekend at the Holmfirth show – omce the usual first hour niggles had been got out of the way – as usual caused by being stored in the garage and stock which hadn’t really been touched since the last show, once again we ran faultlessly – so much so enabling me to lay the critical bits of the new roads in the fiddleyard where they cross the baseboard joints. This will save a lot of work before the next show at Southampton in January.IMAG0283.jpgIMAG0284.jpg

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The track on the left in the first picture will hold something which is due in my clammy mitts very shortly – the BP. Now I was a bit sceptical about this project initially but as the owner (and I still have it ) of a Triang BP in my boyhood really I had to have one. This discovery that there is a high probabilty one did run throuh New Hey in 1966 on its way to a cup tie at Gigg Lane in Bury, chartered by Walsall FC was enough to convince me that it would be £300 beer tokens well spent, especially when its converted to EM !

The track on the right will house eventually a district inpsectors saloon and what will be the Red Bank rake on Glaisden – a train of approx 20 different parcels vehicles – On Glaisden I am modelling the two “out” workings – Vulcan, who is visible in the above picture holding his customary mug of tea just with a splash of milk – is modelling the single empties double headed return working. The remaining line at the far end will have the tractor train – which will be complete once Mr Modelmaster gets his finger out and gets some Lowfit sheets done.

A few more pics from the weekend – the Pilbox now has a new squatter.

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Full steam for Southampton when hopefully all will be revealed and working!
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#92 Worsdell forever

Posted 28 October 2012 – 21:14

Is that the very rare and never before seen (or indeed modelled) 32t mineral wagon I can see? :scratchhead: :no:

#93 Andy C

Posted 28 October 2012 – 21:35

View PostWorsdell forever, on 28 October 2012 – 21:14 , said:

Is that the very rare and never before seen (or indeed modelled) 32t mineral wagon I can see? :scratchhead: :no:

Drat you’ve spotted the cunning plan to double line capacity by doubling the loading gauge height :sarcastichand:

#94 coachmann

Posted 28 October 2012 – 23:37

I can almost smell the air in that cutting. Acid rain bleached ballast is also a neat touch. I wonder if you ever got Newton Heath’s MR condensing 3F 0-6-0T around at Newhey. I used to see it shunting at Hollinwood and Werneth and it was a regular for a time on the Higginshaw Gas Works train.
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#95 Allegheny1600

Posted 29 October 2012 – 01:57

View PostWorsdell forever, on 28 October 2012 – 21:14 , said:

Is that the very rare and never before seen (or indeed modelled) 32t mineral wagon I can see? :scratchhead: :no:

Hey up! I thought it was only the yanks that run “double stack” trains!!!
Looks like you had a good time at Holmfirth, wish I could have gotten across for a good look.
Hmmm, do I spot a certain ‘Roomey’ from Derby in the background of your fifth shot, above!?!
Cheers,
John E.

#96 Andy C

Posted 29 October 2012 – 07:13

View PostAllegheny1600, on 29 October 2012 – 01:57 , said:

Hmmm, do I spot a certain ‘Roomey’ from Derby in the background of your fifth shot, above!?!
Cheers,
John E.

Ahh yes indeed, I’d forgotten that you were once of the Mickleover club! – Farkham was behind us. Wish I’d have thought of that name for a layout, mind you if I went Western Region, I could have a loco called Farkham Hall.

#97 BluePullman21

View PostAndy C, on 15 May 2012 – 15:37 , said:

It’s somewhat worrying when a photo like the one above gets 7 likes and a star that says ‘Popular:O

Cheers

William
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#98 Andy C

Posted 29 October 2012 – 16:51

One of the things which really bugs me in life is when people attempt to impose their own morals on me and what I do. Please we don’t need or want lectures, or a moral compass applying to my thread. If you dont like it then move along the bus please.

#99 Oldddudders

Posted 29 October 2012 – 16:55

View PostBluePullman21, on 29 October 2012 – 08:35 , said:

It’s somewhat worrying when a photo like the one above gets 7 likes and a star that says ‘Popular:O

Why?

#100 two tone green

Posted 29 October 2012 – 17:52

Hi Andy,Nice to meet you on Saturday at the show which turned out to be very enjoyable. As good if not slightly better than Leeds.Enjoyed watching the operation of the layout, very nice. Its credit to a credit to you.

luePullman21

Posted 30 October 2012 – 06:01

Andy, would just like to make it clear that my comment was ‘tongue in cheek’ even if it was interpreted as the complete opposite! And in no way was I attempting to impose my morals on you nor a lecture….Apologies for any misunderstandings!William

P.S. Maybe :jester:  would have sufficed…
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#102 Andy C

Posted 30 October 2012 – 07:33

Thanks for clearing that up BP, it is much appreciated – quite a few people but not everyone knows there is some “RM Web history” behind the figure taking a leak in the privvy, including the somewhat laughable threat of legal action for publishing offensive images. I kid you not. Hence my reply!!

#103 coachmann

Posted 30 October 2012 – 08:12

View PostAndy C, on 30 October 2012 – 07:33 , said:

………..there is some “RM Web history” behind the figure taking a leak in the privvy, including the somewhat laughable threat of legal action for publishing offensive images. I kid you not. Hence my reply!!

At my age nothing should suprise me, but the threat of legal action takes the biscuit. Now’t stanger ner folk, as they say oop north! I suppose that puts the lid on me putting a bloke and his bird just inside the goods shed entrance on Greenfield brew…. :secret:
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#104 Mucky Duck

Posted 30 October 2012 – 08:21

Nowt so queer as folk, as they say in Yorkshire… but nowadays, someone’s bound to complain about use of the word ‘queer’.Looking forward to seeing New Hey (and its bogs) ‘live’ in the future.

#105 coachmann

Posted 30 October 2012 – 11:25

queer Chorlton ###### Hardy…now’t so queer as cencorship.
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#106 Sandside

Posted 30 October 2012 – 11:34

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A few years ago, I used to be a moderator on a mountain biking website, used mostly by people we knew. We took a completely different approach to swear filters and replaced lesser profanities with much worse ones, including where people had typed things like ‘p155’, changing it to the real word. For the stronger profanities, we added all sorts of odd things into the swear filter; I remember that if you typed ‘F*&%’ it replaced it with ‘Harold Bishop out of Neighbours’, which didn’t half confuse people.

#107 Andy C

Posted 30 October 2012 – 12:50

View Postcoachmann, on 30 October 2012 – 08:12 , said:

At my age nothing should suprise me, but the threat of legal action takes the biscuit. Now’t stanger ner folk, as they say oop north! I suppose that puts the lid on me putting a bloke and his bird just inside the goods shed entrance on Greenfield brew…. :secret:

And trust me Larry there is nothing stranger than those who issued the threat! – no need to stop you putting a couple “en flagrante” though, I know a few layouts with similar scenes. Then there was the display case model I saw at the old IMREX show at the Horticultural Halls back in the late 80s – it featured a complete rake of Orient express coaches, and in each compartment was a well modelled position out of the Kama Sutra!!

View PostMucky Duck, on 30 October 2012 – 08:21 , said:

Looking forward to seeing New Hey (and its bogs) ‘live’ in the future.

Next years shows:

Southampton – Jan
Liverpool – April
Loughborough – Sept/Oct
Peterborough – Oct
Wakefield – Last weekend Nov

#108 lmsforever

Posted 30 October 2012 – 13:35

Glad that New Hay is still on the circuit hopefully will see you at Peteterborough ,people are a strange lot dont worry about them I thought it a good bit of fun also an excellent peice of modeling.

#109 Enterprisingwestern

Posted 30 October 2012 – 15:42

View PostAndy C, on 30 October 2012 – 12:50 , said:

Then there was the display case model I saw at the old IMREX show at the Horticultural Halls back in the late 80s – it featured a complete rake of Orient express coaches, and in each compartment was a well modelled position out of the Kama Sutra!!

That was from the 40’s too! Belonged to a certain Mr Keeen of MRC fame I recall, called it the ????????????? Express, (I’m sure someone will be able to fill in the details please?)

Mike

#110 Andy C

Posted 30 October 2012 – 16:17

View PostEnterprisingwestern, on 30 October 2012 – 15:42 , said:

That was from the 40’s too! Belonged to a certain Mr Keeen of MRC fame I recall, called it the ????????????? Express, (I’m sure someone will be able to fill in the details please?)Mike

Cheers Mike

You have confirmed I wasn’t seeing things – Ive mentioned this to a few people and they have no recollection!

#111 bluebottle

Posted 30 October 2012 – 16:35

“What you laughing at, Dad?”
Dad hoists small son up so they can both have a good giggle at the New Hey Manneken Pis.
Sensible Dad. Cheered me up.

#112 Worsdell forever

Posted 30 October 2012 – 17:12

View PostAndy C, on 29 October 2012 – 07:13 , said:

….Farkham was behind us….

There’s far worse goings-on in one of the back yards on this layout :O , it can’t be seen from the front luckily, saw it all when they were setting up at Darlington a few years ago.

#113 DerekEm8

Posted 30 October 2012 – 20:06

Andy,
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#114 Dave777

Posted 30 October 2012 – 23:06

View PostAndy C, on 30 October 2012 – 16:17 , said:

Cheers Mike

You have confirmed I wasn’t seeing things – Ive mentioned this to a few people and they have no recollection!

If memory serves, there was an article about it in one of the BRM annuals a few years back. I’ll dig it out tomorrow if no one beats me to it.

#115 Andy C

Posted 30 October 2012 – 23:19

Tempting Derek – but the Blue Pullman is about as far as it will go!

#116 Joseph_Pestell

Posted 31 October 2012 – 08:41

The Montpellier branch of AFAC has a model of their local mainline station. The adjacent street, rue des 2 ponts, is, like so many streets close to mainline railway stations, home to a number of houses of ill-repute. The model simply would not be realistic without some portrayal of these activities.

#117 Andy C

Posted 31 October 2012 – 12:53

View PostJoseph_Pestell, on 31 October 2012 – 08:41 , said:

The Montpellier branch of AFAC has a model of their local mainline station. The adjacent street, rue des 2 ponts, is, like so many streets close to mainline railway stations, home to a number of houses of ill-repute. The model simply would not be realistic without some portrayal of these activities.

Joseph, you cannot beleive what an opportunity your post has given me on so many levels. ” rue des 2 ponts” is the key to this – The bridge at the Shaw end of the layout carries Two Bridges Road over the railway:

http://maps.google.c…006877&t=m&z=17

Expect a red light to appear on the public side of the bridge!

Not only that but my brothers Mother -in- Law lives in the first house over the railway bridge coming from the Shaw Road direction. He will be informed.

and for those who thought I may be in collusion with Joseph over this:

http://maps.google.c…France&t=m&z=17
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#118 Captain Kernow

Posted 31 October 2012 – 13:00

Layout’s looking great, Andy, interesting to see you’re going North of the Border for the next one!All this mention of ‘BP’ earlier on in the thread got me thinking you might be referring to The Next Great Purchase for New Hey… ;)

#119 Andy C

Posted 31 October 2012 – 13:09

It is indeed the next great purchase for New Hey.  Walsall FC once chartered a BP to take them to a FA cup tie at Bury FC, the train was photographed aat Bolton St. As it would not use the electrified lines that meant it would have come through Knowsley Street which means that it was probable that the routing from Walsall was up to Stockport via the WCML, through to Oldham via the OAGB, and  onto the Oldham loop to Castleton East via New Hey, thence on to Bury. The fact that this was a WR set rather than the 6 coach MR set is purely inconsequential !!

#120 Captain Kernow

Posted 31 October 2012 – 13:20

Excellent news!At least you’ve got a nice big layout to run it on – some of us are going to have to lengthen our fiddle yards!!

#121 Enterprisingwestern

View PostEnterprisingwestern, on 30 October 2012 – 15:42 , said:

That was from the 40’s too! Belonged to a certain Mr Keeen of MRC fame I recall, called it the ????????????? Express, (I’m sure someone will be able to fill in the details please?)Mike

Memory slowly returning!
Gutland Express??, named after the trackwork looking intestinal ISTR.

Mike.

#122 Andy C

Posted 07 November 2012 – 17:31

Well the large blue box was obtained this afternoon from Tim at Arcadia. Its going down to the Rochdale MRG club room tonight where, assuming the wheels are free enough without the application of the appropriate tool and vice, the wheels will be pulled out to EM gauge. As Mr Nevard is due a week on Friday to take a few snapshots of New Hey for Model Rail (must get a**e in gear and write the words) it may just get a “run ”  out assuming the job of increasing the back to backs to 16.5mm is completed on time.

#123 Andy C

Posted 07 November 2012 – 23:24

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Looking underneath the BP had shown its exactly the same as the DMU wheels so conversion to EM is easy – or is it. A quick look underneath showed that the brake blocks on the inner coaches b, c, d and e are in line with the OO wheels – this means a bit of surgery to widen them out to 18.2. Funnily enough the two power cars have brake blocks which are in line with EM wheelsets ! . Also the wheels are tight on the axles, the wheel puller wont look at them so its back to the workbench and the purpose built tool for the job.Its a lovely model though and I’m looking forward to invalidating the warranty !     IMAG0293.jpg    IMAG0294.jpg
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#124 coachmann

Posted 08 November 2012 – 08:28

Having looked at that photo above I have to admit……Damn that Pullman looks better than the real thing…!

#125 Andy C

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Posted 08 November 2012 – 16:41

It is impressive – I’m now thinking of taking it down to Dean Hall next Monday evening and giving it a whizz round the Midland lines of Dewsbury to run it in before I do the wheels on it!

DerekEm8

Posted 09 November 2012 – 19:47

Andy,
Your ‘Modellers Licence’ is getting a bit worn out with your latest acquisition.
Walsall to Bury via the Oldham Loop ? – More likely Stockport -Denton- Ashton Moss(or Droylesden –not sure when it closed)- Miles Platting -Newton Heath -Castleton South Junction- Bury. :scratchhead: :scratchhead: :scratchhead:
FA Cup tie played during Oldham Wakes (at the end of June) :nono: :nono: :nono:
Only joking  :jester: :jester: :jester:

#127 bri.s

saw new hey at nottingham a few years ago and really enjoyed it .hopefully going to wakefield at the end of month so cant wait to see it again especially if theres going to be a blue pullman having a run not see one in the flesh but look a very nice model
bri.s

#128 Andy C

Posted 09 November 2012 – 22:23

View Postbri.s, on 09 November 2012 – 21:34 , said:

saw new hey at nottingham a few years ago and really enjoyed it .hopefully going to wakefield at the end of month so cant wait to see it again especially if theres going to be a blue pullman having a run not see one in the flesh but look a very nice model
bri.s

Its Wakefield 2013 I’m afraid Bri.s

#129 bri.s

Posted 10 November 2012 – 08:59

a year :O oh well ill be going to that hopefully so ill see it again then !

#130 Suddaby

Posted 10 November 2012 – 20:37

View PostAndy C, on 09 November 2012 – 22:23 , said:

  Its Wakefield 2013 I’m afraid Bri.s

He can take it to Wakefield this year if he likes, but I know where the operating crew will be on Saturday afternoon!!!!

Kevin

#131 Andy C

Posted 11 November 2012 – 09:23

View PostSuddaby, on 10 November 2012 – 20:37 , said:

He can take it to Wakefield this year if he likes, but I know where the operating crew will be on Saturday afternoon!!!!Kevin

Worryingly (as you can get “volunteered” for things if you are not in attendance) I will not be at the GLP at Wakefield on the Saturday this year as the band have a day long job on being guinea pigs for new conductors.

#132 Leander

Posted 11 November 2012 – 22:56

View PostAndy C, on 11 November 2012 – 09:23 , said:

Worryingly (as you can get “volunteered” for things if you are not in attendance) I will not be at the GLP at Wakefield on the Saturday this year as the band have a day long job on being guinea pigs for new conductors.

I’m not taking any chances :no:

#133 Andy C

Posted 15 November 2012 – 20:50

An interesting day beckons tomorrow when Chris Nevard comes North to photograph New Hey. At 24 by 12 dimensionally the layout lives in the garage in between shows, so we are just going to put up the scenic sections in the open plan lounge. There should be room to get round but the stock will be manhandled onto the layout. Im really looking forward to it, and even moreso looking forward to the results. All I need to do now is write some words for Model Rail!!

#134 Suddaby

Posted 15 November 2012 – 23:39

…….. be room to get round but the stock will be manhandled onto the layout.Just like doing the photos for the modeller then!:locomotive: :locomotive: :locomotive: :locomotive: :locomotive:

Kevin

#135 Andy Y

Posted 15 November 2012 – 23:44

Ouch!

#136 Andy C

Posted 16 November 2012 – 07:53

View PostAndy Y, on 15 November 2012 – 23:44 , said:

Ouch!

Yes the memories are still very painful to this day. In all seriousness the layout was literally within a few minutes of going straight into a skip on the council dump on the way back from Chasewater. I’ve Vulcan to gratefully thank for preventing me from doing that and talking me round. They say a little humiliation is good for the soul but that was the most horrendous day of my modelling life.
Edited by Andy C, 16 November 2012 – 07:54 .

#138 Andy C

Posted 16 November 2012 – 09:24

View Postbeast66606, on 16 November 2012 – 08:47 , said:

Andy – you are already mentioned on a certain website (yes, him) for the “widdling man” scene – better warn Chris that the world will end and the solicitors will be mobilised if he gets this in his shot :nono: :jester:Looking forward to seeing Chris’s photos of an excellent layout.

I still cant believe all the histrionics from that party, I understand the sermon about me is still on there. Other sources on RM Web tell me he’s now on some sort of conspiracy theory about me but there you go. Still there’s nowt so queer as folk as they say round here.

#139 Andy C

Posted 16 November 2012 – 22:25

Well that was hard work but a great day with Chris Nevard. I am really looking forward to seeing the results, my thanks to Vulcan for taking what turned out to be the day to assist, and to Chris for all the creative work.web CN 1.jpg
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#140 Andy C

Posted 16 November 2012 – 22:52

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And another of Chris at work with Vulcan placing stock – its hard work teeing up the stock manually    cn 2.jpg

#141 d winpenny

#142 Andy C

Posted 17 November 2012 – 18:04

Just seen a sneak preview of one of the shots. absolutely superb, cant wait to see the rest. Will now have to get on with writing the article for Model Rail!!

#143 lmsforever

Posted 17 November 2012 – 18:59

Was it cold outside ? How did the band day go ,was it your band looking for a new conductor?

#144 Andrew P

Posted 17 November 2012 – 19:16

Great shots of Chris at work, Martyn Barnwell came and did 3 of mine up at our Club Room last December (2011) and it was damd cold, the same woolley hats and thermals on, you could almost simulate steam from our breathing, haha

#145 Andy C

Posted 17 November 2012 – 20:09

View Postlmsforever, on 17 November 2012 – 18:59 , said:

Was it cold outside ? How did the band day go ,was it your band looking for a new conductor?

It wasn’t too bad outside LMS, originally Id intended to put up the layout in our lounge / study but whilst the length was no problem it was the width of the boards and the narrow archway between the rooms which really bu&&ered the job up. As it was a very nice day early on we quickly set up outside but just as we set up and started, there was some wet in the air but no show stopper – by half three though the threat became serious and we moved the end board into the kitchen / dining room (on the table to prevent our two lovely border collies having a go at it!!) the rest was completed in the garage as the latter shot shows.  A couple more from the day:

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#146 Oldddudders

Posted 18 November 2012 – 11:33

Posh lights, posh Manfrotto tripod with expensive head and leg-warmers – no wonder the chap gets results!

#147 Enterprisingwestern

Posted 19 November 2012 – 17:11

View PostAndy C, on 16 November 2012 – 22:52 , said:

its hard work teeing up the stock manually

Be a lot easier with DCC.

Mike. (just off for coat and tin hat)

#148 Andy C

Posted 20 November 2012 – 10:12

Oah but with D C it actually works and is user friendly 🙂

#149 Leander

Posted 20 November 2012 – 10:25

View PostEnterprisingwestern, on 19 November 2012 – 17:11 , said:

Be a lot easier with DCC.Mike. (just off for coat and tin hat)

We tried it once with DCC – didn’t like it! (see .#134) :nono:

#150 Enterprisingwestern

Posted 20 November 2012 – 17:02

View PostLeander, on 20 November 2012 – 10:25 , said:

We tried it once with DCC – didn’t like it! (see .#134) :nono:

Hence the tongue in cheek comment, I was at Chacewater also :O

Mike.

Andy C

Posted 21 November 2012 – 17:16

And I still have the DCC scars on my wrists, don’t get me going about that crock of merde again ;-)Anyroad up, and totally off topic, fresh back from a trip to Londinium with work, to really wind up the merchants who were batting for First and renationalisation in the recent ITT debacle, I had yet another perfect journey down with Virgin down the WCML. Being in Rochdale I also have the option of coming back from Leeds, its often more convenient as well as often cheaper. So I came back via East Coast. For all those who advocated a similar deal happening on the WCML as to what happened when first bailed out of the ECML, forget it East Coast are awful. If that’s what renationalisation means then you can stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.Anyway back OT,   just seen some more of Chris Nevards photos, superb.
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#152 Peter Crichton (Savoyard)

Posted 21 November 2012 – 17:33

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More likely Stockport -Denton- Ashton Moss(or Droylesden –not sure when it closed)- Miles Platting -Newton Heath -Castleton South Junction- Bury

The Blue Pullman did go via Newton Heath and Castleton South to get to Bury, I was talking to a former BR Signalman who was on duty that day and think may even have a shot of it.

Peter

#153 Andy C

Posted 21 November 2012 – 17:57

Well as the unit which transported Walsall FC was a Western region set anyway, I don’t really give a monkeys about my rerouting for its way back!!

#154 Suddaby

Posted 22 November 2012 – 10:27

Given Rochdale’s poor performance in the FA Cup in the 60’s, looking for an excuse is a bit difficult!!
I was hoping they may have played one of the East Midlands teams!Kevin

#155 peanuts

Posted 22 November 2012 – 21:49

View PostSuddaby, on 22 November 2012 – 10:27 , said:

Given Rochdale’s poor performance in the FA Cup in the 60’s, looking for an excuse is a bit difficult!!
I was hoping they may have played one of the East Midlands teams!Kevin

maybe you could have it going right around the loop to access werneth to drop supporters off as they visit boundary park home of Oldham Athletic ?

believe they actualy managed to make the third round a few times around the period your moddeling

#156 Vulcan

Posted 23 November 2012 – 20:54

View PostAndy C, on 16 November 2012 – 07:53 , said:

Yes the memories are still very painful to this day. In all seriousness the layout was literally within a few minutes of going straight into a skip on the council dump on the way back from Chasewater. I’ve Vulcan to gratefully thank for preventing me from doing that and talking me round. They say a little humiliation is good for the soul but that was the most horrendous day of my modelling life.

Well I never realised I was New Hey’s saviour to that extent :O :no:  Can’t believe, it’s already a week ago since the rather enjoyable and somewhat different day of setting things up for Chris to photograph. :no:

#157 Andy C

Posted 25 November 2012 – 13:11

Following on from Vulcans post and just to show theres no sentiment in Railway modelling, heres an offshoot of New Hey on its way to the Great Exhibition Hall in the sky. The upturned baseboard to the viewers right of the defunct tumble drier in the picture is all that remains of Belfield Wharf, amy micro layout project that rose out of the ashes of New Heys test bed, Spotland Bridge. The result of a good old clear out of the loft and garage following a bathroom upgrade!IMAG0300.jpg

#158 Andy C

Posted 04 December 2012 – 22:28

A sense of achievement tonight, Ive just put the last full stop on the article for Model Rail – its a different approach to layout articles, don’t expect a treatise of “I used 9mm ply to build the baseboards” and “glued the ballast with diluted PVA with washing up liquid in ” et al. As always, I’m trying to break the mould. Ive now seen all of Chris’s pictures as well and have to say when it goes in the mag you are in for a visual treat, they really are superb.

#159 lmsforever

Posted 05 December 2012 – 12:27

Looking forward to the article ,which issue will it be appearing in?

#160 Allegheny1600

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Posted 05 December 2012 – 12:50

View PostAndy C, on 04 December 2012 – 22:28 , said:

A sense of achievement tonight, Ive just put the last full stop on the article for Model Rail – its a different approach to layout articles, don’t expect a treatise of “I used 9mm ply to build the baseboards” and “glued the ballast with diluted PVA with washing up liquid in ” et al. As always, I’m trying to break the mould. Ive now seen all of Chris’s pictures as well and have to say when it goes in the mag you are in for a visual treat, they really are superb.

Congratulations on your achievement and hoorah for your different approach!
Too many layout articles all use the same format, it will be a joy to read something different – how many times have we read about the eye dropper & the ballast? Grrr!
Cheers,
John E.

#161 Andy C

Posted 05 December 2012 – 16:58

Not sure which issue it will be in, sometime early new year I suspect. Will keep people posted!

#162 Andy C

Posted 12 December 2012 – 16:55

Theres a little job Ive been meaning to do since summer but never had the opportunity until today – take a few shots of New Hey station as it is now. I had to divert on a journey back to work in Rochdale today through Owdham via Shaw. A quick dart up Huddersfield Rd, whipped out the mobile, and job done.565627_10151654583563787_739202387_n.jpg702673_10151654583518787_1995128807_n.jpg

Souless and without character unfortunately, and thats just the trams. At least the whorehouse is still there.

Edit, sorry, that should read Warehouse. The other word is the sheep pens up at Ogden Fold.
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#163 coachmann

Posted 12 December 2012 – 17:08

View PostAndy C, on 12 December 2012 – 16:55 , said:

Theres a little job Ive been meaning to do since summer but never had the opportunity until today – take a few shots of New Hey station as it is now. I had to divert on a journey back to work in Rochdale today through Owdham via Shaw. A quick dart up Huddersfield Rd, whipped out the mobile, and job done.Attachment 565627_10151654583563787_739202387_n.jpgAttachment 702673_10151654583518787_1995128807_n.jpg

Souless and without character unfortunately, and thats just the trams. At least the whorehouse is still there.

Edit, sorry, that should read Warehouse. The other word is the sheep pens up at Ogden Fold.

That’s the thing today innit. At least when the railways were built the structures were buildings one could be proud of. Todays achitecture is for today and as you say, soul less with walkways that look as if they lead to cattle pens.

The sheep at Ogden Fold, isn’t this the Wellington Leasure Centre…..?