The Building of New Hey

This page logs the building of New Hey from about the time the track had actually been laid on the boards in 2007 – it has been recovered from  the “old” RM Web where it was first blogged and for me is interesting historical detail – it also shows you how i built a lot of things as well!

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Postby Andy C » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:42 pm

Not a lot has been seen on the new hey front of recent months so here are a few pics – i intend to do a bit of a blog in the run up to its appearnce at Expo North in Sept – it wont be quite in the Ken Gibbons school of layout building as we can only do one night a week as its in the Rochdale clubrooms, but here goes!!!Image

(these coaches are for test purposes only – token great westernism!)

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Postby Corbs » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:43 pm

Maybe try http://www.photobucket.com for photos if the other site is giving you hassle?
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Postby iL Dottore » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:57 pm

I like the way the bridge span is weathered Andy
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Postby MartinWales » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:28 pm

Like the trackwork Andy! Superb!!See you at EM North then!! :wink:

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Postby tommy mac » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:50 pm

Love the track work! :D looks greats 8)
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Postby Andy C » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:31 am

iL Dottore wrote:I like the way the bridge span is weathered Andy

Its a base coat of Gas Works stone number one, followed by a few coats of various Humbrol matt browns which is rubbed into the base coat using a mark one finger with not much paint on it. (Dry finger technique?) The final sooty coat is using matt black cut with a matt navy blue and again, sparingly rubbed in with the finger.

Cleaning the finger is easier than cleaning the brush!

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Postby Andy C » Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:55 pm

Baseboard C (station) was moved home from the club this weekend and is in the garage enabling to do more work on it. B should arrive next week!
Just to illustrate the process of painting stone work, heres the sequence of events painting the Huddersfield Road bridge abutments today:Image
base coat of GW stone No1

Image1st coat, Humbrol brown 26 – rubbed in with finger – not a lot of paint on finger.

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3rd coat is Humbrol brown 186 – again rubbed in with finger

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and the last coat is matt black cut 60/40 with navy blue for the soot effect

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Station buildings temporarily in place – whilst the down waiting shelter is finsihed, I discovered that the crown chimney pots on the main station building were changed to shorter plain pots in the early 60’s. The building will be put in as soon as Ive put the paving down on the platform – hence the snow covered platform surface at the moment!

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The pallete, paints and finished structure!!!

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the view from the bridge back into the station looking in the Oldham direction.

Posting these quite motivates me to get on with the job – next jobs are to create the embankments and the path down to the station building from Huddersfield Road – out with the plaster.

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Postby 10800 » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:12 pm

That’s better 8)(edit – duplication of photos now removed)

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Postby Andy C » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:16 pm

Cheers Rod!!!just discovered the problem myself – Im trying to be too clever!!

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Postby MartinWales » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:30 am

As ever, brilliantly done, Andy!
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Postby grahame » Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:55 am

Looking good – and it’s gonna be great when finished.G

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Postby Gary H » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:04 am

Excellant work.
I especially like the curve on the mainline. The paintwork on that bridge is spot on!
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Postby Andy C » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:32 pm

ImageThe scenery is now starting to be added – the embankment faces are some lightweight laminate floor underlay i found in the loft, its a fibreboard substance and will provide a nice even face for the embankment sides, something i was struggling to achieve using the traditional polystyrene method – which is still used as infill on the less even hillside.

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The astute observer will notice the weights holding down the fibreboard in place whilst the glue sets. Fortunately or unfortunately dependent on ones viewpoint, my beerstore also lives in the garage. A new use for two pints of Bombardier.

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Postby Andy C » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:50 pm

More work done – progress is being slowly made – cork sheet has been placed in the yard to lay the cobblestones on level with the track surface – I am using the “Metcalfe ” pre couloured embossed self adhesive sheets for this – it may seem a cop – out but they are quite good and will be touched up with paint to make them a bit individual.Image

Station building in place for fitting of the platform surface – just needs the signage putting on and a permanent fix will be due.

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The platform surface now in place and the down platform starter “loose” for positioning in the platform.

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Overall view showing the cork sheet in place ready for goods yard construction. The bits of paving left lying around is 20 thou plasticard, scribed and then painted using enamels.

Next jobs are fixing the buffer stops in place, laying the cobbles and plastering the terrain in! – at last its coming to life!

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Postby Andy C » Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:14 pm

As Expo EM approaches the gear has been ratcheted up a notch but promptly got notched back this afternoon when the garage door broke and stuck in the open position. However several bowls of plaster later:Image

Huddersfield Road end looking into the station area – The plaster mix has PVA glue mixed in to harden it further, and brown poster paint in to give it a base colour should it chip at any time. Its bog standard finishing plaster.

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Looking along from the Two Bridges Road (Oldham) end. The shot was taken over the third baseboard as the garage is some 6 inches short to put all 3 boards up together. The garage also houses two kayaks, three mountain bikes, a tumble drier, and a petrol lawnmower as well as the usual detritus so its pretty cramped!

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The missing third baseboard – whilst all the ballasting is completed on the layout, the scenery work on this board has had to be held back as i construct another overbridge at this end (Two Bridges Road) – its currently OMWB awaiting its final coat of soot as the Huddersfield Road overbridge built earlier on – should be done tonight – this afternoon polystyrene was put in the open areas and shaped, making a further mess in the garage as i carved it up with a kitchen knife – my hot wire has a problem!!!

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looking across the station site to Huddersfield Road – the buildings have been taken out whilst I work on the messy stuff!!! – they slot into the holes on the platform.

The next job will be to paint a cheap brown gloss over the plaster work to seal it and then grow some grass!!

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Postby mines a pint » Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:54 pm

Looking great Andy- that sooty stone is just the thing ! 8)
Looking forward to seeing at EM north- will it be a finished layout by then or a ‘work in progress’ :?: :wink:
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Postby Andy C » Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:12 pm

mines a pint wrote:Looking great Andy- that sooty stone is just the thing ! 8)
Looking forward to seeing at EM north- will it be a finished layout by then or a ‘work in progress’ :?: :wink:

Very much work in progress though it will be exhibited as a working layout – Im hoping to grow a bit of grass over the next week but tere is still a large L and Y good shed to build and the signal box, 4 more signals, 2 platelayers huts and the gable end of New Hey Liberal club!!! Then there is all the small detail – Thats the problem with building a prototype – there is no room for compromise :lol:

never again :lol: :lol:

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Postby mines a pint » Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:31 pm

Then there is all the small detail – Thats the problem with building a prototype – there is no room for compromise …………. never again

Must be very rewarding though! -even though I acknowledged by changing the name, that I would not have a 100% likeness it did give me more than a little pleasure to visit the real place- at least you don’t have a 3 hour drive for that!! :wink:

Must be quite hard- Would have to have 100% confidence in the research etc. And no doubt you will still get some tw@t come tell you somethings the wrong shape/place etc :wink:

– be doing a ‘madeuplace’ next meself :lol:

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Postby LMS 10456 » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:07 am

Excellent stuff Andy.
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Postby MartinWales » Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:11 pm

Crikey Andy!!-Your workrate puts me to shame!!
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Postby Andy C » Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:56 pm

You’d work this fast if you had the shadow of Arnold Belfield loomimg over you!Image

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Postby Andy C » Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:45 am

The programme notes for Expo EM North this weekend!NEWHEY
24’0″ x 12’0″ EM Gauge
Andy Cooper
Contrary to the scribings of Ian Rice in his book on building small layouts, Newhey does exist – indeed I think the
inhabitants of the small village at the foot of the Pennines may be a little dismayed to find that they have been erased
from history!!
The railway through Newhey is what is now known as the “Oldham Loop”, the line that runs from Manchester Victoria,
up Werneth Bank to Oldham and on to Rochdale and back to Victoria. The line is now singled but some of the
infrastructure still exists, notably the large cotton warehouse that is now part of the Newhey Carpets factory. The route
is destined to become part of the Metrolink tram network.
The model is of Newhey as it was roughly in the period from 1960 – 1968, and always the last two weeks of June in
those years. Why then? Because that’s when the local “Wakes” were. (The annual 2 week shutdown of the cotton
mills in Oldham and Rochdale). As a result there were daily excursion trains, usually double headed if they were
coming from the Oldham direction, and with coaches cobbled together from anything available. In addition there were
regular freight and parcels workings. When out at shows the intention will be to move the layout through the years
so that by the last afternoon of the show the layout will be awash with green and bits of blue / blue-grey creeping in.
Whilst the project ownership is basically mine I owe a lot of thanks for help and support from other club colleagues
from both the Rochdale and Manchester Societies and in particular Ian Worthington, Martin Edmondson and Phil Taylor.
Any questions, please ask, and DCC is spoken on this layout!

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Postby November Rains » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:08 am

This looks great! I love the trackwork and the stonework. I am looking forward to seeing progress. Will you exhibit down South at all?
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Postby Andy C » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:04 pm

November Rains wrote:This looks great! I love the trackwork and the stonework. I am looking forward to seeing progress. Will you exhibit down South at all?

I suspect that when New hey hits the exhibition circuit formally as a completed layout next year then I will bring it dahn sarf – indeed Id like to – of course that is subject to it being invited by exhibition managers to shows – theres a few the crew and I would like to do down there!

I have two firm invites both “oop North” (One is Manchester 2009 so I suppose I invited myself to the show :lol: :lol: ) and Rochdale next year so there is room on the calender – but I will only be doing two or at a pinch three shows a year with it as i also operate on Dewsbury Midland and have a hand in with a couple of other layouts as well – Cornwallis Yard and Eskmuir plus I dont want it to become too overexposed on the circuit – so basically am using the same policy as we do with Dewsbury.

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Postby MartinWales » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:52 pm

Great stuff Andy-can’t wait to see the progress at EM North!Shall see you tommorrow evening sometime!

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Postby Andy C » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:42 pm

MartinWales wrote:Great stuff Andy-can’t wait to see the progress at EM North!Shall see you tommorrow evening sometime!

Ive just done 4 hours on it and Im knackered – Im off work all tomorrow on flexi leave to do a litle more but its going to be a bit – well lets say “raw” – but at least people can see how its going to look when its finished.

cant be ar*ed taking photos but will et some done over the weekend with stock on.

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Postby MartinWales » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:13 pm

Look forward to it Andy!
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Postby Andy C » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:01 pm

(two cr*p photos deleted to be replaced below!!
ImageJinty in the yard – my latest conversion, a bachy crab in the background in the station on a Wakes holiday excursion. Gibson wheels and now run in, a nice runner now but needs weathering, its abit too shiny!!. Ive another one on the stocks picked up for a song! Jinty is a london Road models kit.

Mr gibson will be dealing withe me tomorrow – and hes across from the layout at Expo

A fraught day – it ran like sh~t this morning due to not being able to clean it properly and a little problem with the fiddle yard – which i understand a photo of may appear later by someone else – when my mate who built the fiddle baord (its been designed to go behind several layouts by Ian Worthington) forgot to bring the extensions last night which bing it up to height!

You live and learn, but things got better as the day went on Apologies for the photos, i was taking them on flash as we were not stopping anything for poses this afternoon

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Postby Pete-Harvey » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:03 pm

Andy it looks so much better with some locos on it nice one.Pete

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Postby Andy C » Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:01 pm

New Photos from Expo EM North – a better day with constant movement and not as many problems – but we need to get the fiddleyard sorted out which limited operation a bit!!Image

Dubdee 90555 trundles a coal train through the station

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90555 – a dirty photo.

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D5066 heads a local – an unprototypical movement as it should be a class 110 DMU, and the 24 on a parcels train (clock the headcode!) but the DMU was having DCC surgery at the time! The really green grass is the base coat of died sawdust, a top tussocky grass layer is nect – probably going to be my usual carpet underlay!

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A view from the Rochdale end of the layout looking towards To Bridges Road

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Looking in the other direction – the white foamboard is a mock up of the goods shed and gives a demo of just how imposing it is over New Hey station – its next on the job list along with a Comet Ivatt 2-6-0

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Postby MartinWales » Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:10 pm

Andy-it was good to see you and the layout-especially with the jacket! :) :wink:
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Postby Andy C » Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:22 pm

MartinWales wrote:Andy-it was good to see you and the layout-especially with the jacket! :) :wink:

Yes, it was a rather tweedy moment! Im sure Vulcan wont be far behind in providing a photo!

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Postby mines a pint » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:33 pm

Hi Andy, whatever the short-term problems now you have got all the makings of a great layout, the gentle curve and attention to building details sets it up well!
Sorry I didn’t ask about the GUV’s but you looked to be busy ‘tweaking’ :wink: whilst I was looking at the layout :D
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Postby MartinWales » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:47 pm

Andy C wrote:

MartinWales wrote:Andy-it was good to see you and the layout-especially with the jacket! :) :wink:

Yes, it was a rather tweedy moment! Im sure Vulcan wont be far behind in providing a photo!

That I would like to see…… :wink:

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Postby Andy C » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:25 pm

Image“theres always some nit-picking b*st** in front of a prototype layout”

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Postby michael delamar » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:54 pm

looked really nice at expo, will be great when finished can see the potential, i love layouts of real places and know the emotions of a new layout at a show so can imagine all the feelings youve went through over the last weekwell done

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Postby Black And Decker Boy » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:20 pm

The hand of god reaches forth….Giving the bus a shove wont help get the 110 running Andy. Looking good, somewhat more progressed than last time I saw it at the club.

Have you converted the old man to DCC yet after his cameo or is he still a dc believer?

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Postby Andy C » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:22 pm

ImageSome people were asking about transporting a layout to shows – this shows New Hey in its “in the van mode” boards stacked up on each other and case clipped together

The layout hasnt been put up since Expo as we are trying to get a hall to put it up in at half term so we can work on a few dimensional problems with the return boards to the fiddle yard (stacked in the background of the garage.

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the next piece of work about to start – this is a photocopy of the original plans for the goods shed. the plans were obtained from the NRO at Kew and I hope when completed will meet the critical approval of even Tim Shackleton. But the again, maybe not. :lol:

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Postby Phil » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:48 am

Well Andy, if the recent thread in General relates to “crap” layouts at a “crap” exhibition, I’m aspiring to the general “crapness”, with inspiration from your weathering of the stone bridgework, as well as the general flow of the layout – some lovely gentle curves there.Seriously mate – very nice and can’t wait to see it finished.

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Postby MartinWales » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:50 am

[quote=”Phil”]Well Andy, if the recent thread in General relates to “crap” layouts at a “crap” exhibition, I’m aspiring to the “crapness” /quote]Like it!

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Postby Yorkshire Pullman » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:37 am

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“Oy, this ain’t finished yet. There’s no ‘air on his ‘ead” :twisted: :lol:

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Postby Andy C » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:50 pm

Phil wrote:Well Andy, if the recent thread in General relates to “crap” layouts at a “crap” exhibition, I’m aspiring to the general “crapness”, with inspiration from your weathering of the stone bridgework, as well as the general flow of the layout – some lovely gentle curves there.Seriously mate – very nice and can’t wait to see it finished.

Thank you Phil indeed – theres a lot of research gone into the layout – I wanted to capture the flowing curve of the real thing so I drew it on Templot using a L and Y track plan (it was attached to the Goods shed plans above), grided it off and used grid refernce points to locate the track on Templot.

Its comments like yours that convince me Im on the right track with it, and encourage me to carry on, although I do welcome feedback to help me on the way. To be honest, after the Shackleton debacle I just felt like throwing in the towel.

Arnolds invited me back to Expo North with it last year and we should have it if not totally finished, 99% so.

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Postby Gravy Train » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:27 pm

Some very nice flowing trackwork there and tidy pointwork.
There is no mistaking its identity or geographical location which to me shows you have captured the atmosphere of LYR territory, I am an L& modeller myself and it certainly looks the part to me and it is obvious that you have put a lot of research into it to bring it thus far.
The buildings too are nice the type of stonework in this area is not easy to represent well done, keep up the good work.
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Postby Andy C » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:46 pm

All things being equal ive got the use of the local Scout Hut on the weekend of the 27th and 28th oct – the intention is to put the layout up and correct the dimensional problems at the back and sort out the fiddleyard on the Saturday, then go for a beer or ten and a curry, the Sunday will see the operating sequence starting to be put together and tested as well as a bit of in situ scenic work whilst the boards are up and together.Private “viewings” may be possible if you ask me nicely that is of course unless you are a certain model rail rag editor, then a public lynching may be possible!

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Postby Andy C » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:19 am

The layout was erected in the 10th Rochdale scout hut yesterday and Im happy to report the woodworking problem has now been resolved – we found the problem was with the two return boards off the main scenic boards which were a fraction off right angle – by the time it got to twelve foot away from the front the fraction had grown exponentially. Moral is if you are building a big layout when building the boards which connect front to back do it somewhere you can put the whole shooting match up.More woodwork has been completed in the scenic formers on the offending boards and the erection of the backscenes, to be completed today – Ill post the pics tonight after it comes back to the garage!!

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Postby Coachmann » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:50 am

Nice layout coming on well. You might like to try the Woodland Scenics grass with plastic backing. It is dead easy to mould to shape with a heat gun, retains its shape when cold and is super lightweight.Nice to see Yelloways and the North Western buses represented. I suppose the Oldham No.2 was was ‘off stage’ but a shot is attached from the days when Oldham painted its buses in a proper livery.

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Postby Coachmann » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:08 am

ImageJust found a shot of Newhey showing your bridge and some background scenery. Neat church. I took the photo on 27th August 1980. It shows a Derby Unit (M50779 leading) on the 16.20 Rochdale to Manchester Vic.

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Postby Andy C » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:33 pm

And heres the progress:Image

Overall shot looking from the Huddersfield Rd end – backscenes have been cut and put up prior to the framing going on and being sanded back and primed for painting by Mrs C.

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All the scenic profiles have been cut and fixed for the exit board at the Huddersfield Rd end – I was only going to half scenic these but have decided to recreate the deep cutting at that end to mask the trains as they go off scene – Its a big hillside this! (by the way St Thomas’s church is thankfully way of scene – that would be a challenge to build.) It was only after finishing this i realised there was more ballasting involved!

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The big hole in between the return boards and the fiddleyard has now been filled in and the track laid (Copperclad at this point for strength at the board ends) This picture gives an impression of just how large the layout is – One visitor this afternoon was absolutely gobsmacked at the way it filled the scout hut!

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The Two Bridges Road exit board – ive had to take a bit of artistic licence here because the exit would look odd going off on a flat bit of land so ive moved the track a couple of hundred yards further on to just before Jubilee Crossing where Shaw Road comes in towards the line from the village and the railway enters a narrow valley on its way to Shaw and Crompton station.

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A view seen in other photos here but illustrates how the layout will start to look once he backscenes are painted – in this shot the backscene will include the gable of some stone terraced shops but in the background is the moorland leading over towards High Crompton and Burnedge.

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A view of the minimalist control panel – it just handles the points and signals – the joys of DCC!!. Judging by the surrounding artwork of the guides and Brownies i will not be commissioning them to do the backscenes!!

I’d like to register a big thanks to Mike Edmondson for allowing us to use the scout hut this weekend and aslo to my two comrades in arms, Ian Worthington and Martin Edmondson (Vulcan) for assisting me in a weekend of unparralelled progress. And last but not least Mrs C for providing some superb sausage barms at lunchtimes and letting me have the weekend off to do the job!

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Postby Gravy Train » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:25 pm

Hi Andy,
nice to see the progress, would you be using automatic uncoupling? if so which type?
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Postby Andy C » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:31 pm

Gravy Train wrote:Hi Andy,
nice to see the progress, would you be using automatic uncoupling? if so which type?

Spratt and Winks – my shunting stock which was used on Spotland Bridge is already set up – the good yard at New Hey was sparsley used in the 60s and mainly for coal so Ive more than enough stock for the pick ups. Ive used permanent magnets installed under the track as I had problems with the electromagnets – mainly the pushbuttons switches carboning up – on Spotland.

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Postby Gravy Train » Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:42 pm

Same as me, i know other types work sucsessfully but i find that the sprat and winks are more robust for exhibition use which is a good thing in my opinion and they are easily adjusted if the hook gets bent over.
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Postby Andy C » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:31 pm

Definately – by far the most robust of them all and Ive tried them all!DG were OK but took a lot of fettling, but Alex jacksons – far too much resetting after every show or operating session – a complete waste of time unless you have a small layout and a limited stock box!! – and thats coming from an MMRS member – AJ will be revolving in his grave :)

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Postby Coachmann » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:11 pm

Spratt & Winkle or Bachmanns, they are both simple to fit, line up and operate on a layout where fidelity to scale is secondary to ease of operation. But it???‚¬?„?s a shame that in 2007 we are stuck with a variation of the Peco Anita TT coupling from the 1950???‚¬?„?s. By close-coupling my wagons etc the couplings are not so obvious. I have looked at the American coupling but it is just as in your face as the Bachmann. Devising a new auto coupling must be rocket science.Coachmann

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Postby Andy C » Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:01 pm

Well if im going to do my 1000th post i might as well do it on my home turf.For those who are interested I resurrected the rochdale MRG hot wire cutter last night in preparation to cut some polystyrene for thse two end boards this weekend.Id forgotten just how un health and safety the thing is. Keep clear of rochdale this weekend folks.

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Postby Andy C » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:49 pm

Here we go then – some unsafe working practices, the RMRG hot wire cutter in operation.Its a transformer – totally open and live lol

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which is wired into this metal frame with a wire stretched through the jaws, using two screws to keep it clamped and taut. The handle is a trigger grip from an old drill or something of that nature!

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And the result – the embankment starting to take shape on the return board after cutting with the wire. Its gets a bit smelly after a bit so you have to come up for air occaisionally. Nothing like a bit of risk taking now and then!!

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Postby Black And Decker Boy » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:00 pm

Ehhh eck, that brings back childhood memories Andy. I used to love the jolt as you stamped your foot on the pedal and the transformer kicked in (with quite a loud hum). Not sure my Dad should have been encouraging me to use the thing as a 10 year old but I survived – mind you my appetite for coarse scale re-modelling with power tools must have started somewhere.Is the embankment on the end several feet high or is it the angle of the camera exaggerating it?

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Postby Andy C » Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:51 pm

Black And Decker Boy wrote:Ehhh eck, that brings back childhood memories Andy. I used to love the jolt as you stamped your foot on the pedal and the transformer kicked in (with quite a loud hum). Not sure my Dad should have been encouraging me to use the thing as a 10 year old but I survived – mind you my appetite for coarse scale re-modelling with power tools must have started somewhere.Is the embankment on the end several feet high or is it the angle of the camera exaggerating it?

Hi Graham – its the camera angle – the baseboard is on its side there which exagerates height – the embankment is a tad over 8 inches high at the backscene (2″ thick polystyrene) which is right or thereavbouts for the protoype cutting.

Watch out this weekend on this thread, RMRG took delivery of a ?‚??95s worth Noch Gras Master today. New hey first then Eskdalemuir – your old mans chuffed at getting his hands on one to grow standy uppy grass!!!!

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Postby sparky » Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:39 pm

Hi Andy, Can’t believe how much progress has been made since expo em north,how do you find the time? I spent ages looking at your work at the show and could’nt resist stopping off at Newhey on the way home for a look at what remains today.I thought Spotland Bridge was special but for me your latest creation is the most exciting thing seen at Slaithwaite since Retford was displayed….Brilliant!!! I’m thinking of starting collecting milk bottle tops,they might come in handy for a guidedog for a certain editor!! Looking forward to some more pic’s soon. Sparky
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Postby Andy C » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:42 pm

The Gras Master has been out and doing a trial piece on the pathway leading down to the main station building – Im quite pleased with it although the Noch grass is a bit bright – but the long grass has now got to go on top of this. I also used it with some woodland secenics “fine turf” burnt grass but it is a bit too fine for successful application.Otherwise Im quite pleased so far, but the true test comes with the “deeper” grass to go on top.

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Postby mines a pint » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:53 pm

Dont worry about the quality of the top pic! – :wink:
as ‘sparky’ says I’m amazed at how quickly its coming along! – especially given the size of layout and you appear to be working mostly on your own?-nice to see a ‘proper modeller’ using polystyrene too! :wink: I thought I was doing the wrong thing using it! :D

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Postby Coachmann » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:57 pm

Thought you might like to see this taken near Newhey around 1961…ImageCoachmann

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Postby Andy C » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:38 pm

Thanks CoachmanA photo Ive never seen at all and some useful colour detail – for a start Ive got the colour of the cess ballast right!! Taken at Jubilee Crossing looking towards New hey and unfortunately could result in the purchase of yet another Bachman 108! You can just make out St Thomas’s steeple in the distance.

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Postby Coachmann » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:27 pm

any more photos like that gratefully received.

Not very good ones I’m afraid….

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Jubilee Crossing looking towards Oldham.
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Jinty on westbound mineral empties (sorry dont know number). The folding camera often gave cock-eyed pics because of the swivelling prism viewfinder.

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Postby Andy C » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:18 pm

Cheers Coachman – that Noch green is not as far out as i thought it was looking at the pics – i especially like the Jinty opposite the site of Jubilee Colliery – that place holds special memories as the old lamp house, which was just at the side of the bridge immediately in front of the jinty was a good sheltered vantage point to train spot.Now the site of a well known sh*gg*rs car park in fact just about where the loco is, I will also hold my hand up to a fumbling encounter of that nature there as a teenager, Ahh Vicky where are you now :lol:

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Postby Coachmann » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:11 pm

Now the site of a well known sh*gg*rs car park in fact just about where the loco is, I will also hold my hand up to a fumbling encounter of that nature there as a teenager, Ahh Vicky where are you now

Holding you hand up to a fumbling encounter is the only way for a gentleman and a scholar. By the way, did you mean hicky Vicky, Viky prickie or my second cousin twice removed???? :lol: :lol:

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Postby Andy C » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:14 pm

Coachman wrote:

Now the site of a well known sh*gg*rs car park in fact just about where the loco is, I will also hold my hand up to a fumbling encounter of that nature there as a teenager, Ahh Vicky where are you now

Holding you hand up to a fumbling encounter is the only way for a gentleman and a scholar. By the way, did you mean hicky Vicky, Viky prickie or my second cousin twice removed???? :lol: :lol:

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Did you go to Royton and Crompton Sec School as well then :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby Coachmann » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:31 pm

Did you go to Royton and Crompton Sec School as well then

No, it was too posh. :lol:

I went to Hollins and good ‘ol Oldham Art…. :P

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Postby Andy C » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:59 pm

Ive not posted anything recently because in between the last post Christmas occured and all that entails, plus all the action has been going on “on my workbench” although to be correct because of the size of this brute it ended up on a board on the floor in the final throes of being assembled. The goods shed was put together today and temporarily put in place to see how it looked, fitted etc. All Ive got to do now is paint it, put the windows in (I had them etched by Geoff Taylor) put the doors on – oh and slate the roof and put the windows on that (will be looking for a dodge on that one :shock: :lol: )Image

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The construction for those interested is an inner layer of 16th ply braced with balsa wood strip in the corners and along the side at the top and bottom. A layer of 30 thou plasticard with the window and door apertures cut in then a layer of 40 though with the reveals cut in. It is then clad in S E finecast stretcher bond sheet – Im not 100% happy with this stuff as it seems to warp a lot and throw things out of shape (hence all the bracing and even then some things had to be “unwarped” before all was put together. The arches were put in using a compass cutter on the brickwork, I then did several 20thou circles and scribed in the brick arch before cutting and inserting in the aperture already cut in the brick. The 4 walls were built individually up to final detailing pahse before being put together today. The roof base is foamboard with the window apertures cut in, 5 foamborad trusses have yet to be put in to strengthen it – the slates will be scribed onto 20 thou plasticard (lifes to short even to do individual rows, and at the distance it being viewed at, you would not notice the lack of overlaps. Next job is to spray it with grey primer and then paint in the brickwork.

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Postby sparky » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:08 pm

That looks a fine bit of work Andy,when and where will you be showing the layout again? Had the pleasure of seeing it at Slaithwaite,star of the show for me.Could i ask how the static grass and applicator are bearing up?Cheers,
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Postby Andy C » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:36 pm

Will be out a Slaitwaite with it as a virtually if not complete model, then at Rochdale 2009 with it as the complete finished article, then Manchester 2009. I May have a board out at the RM web members day as a demo.Ive not done anymore grass since the trial run , its been too bl**din cold in the garage :lol:

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Postby MartinWales » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:41 pm

Andy, that’s great news! Can’t wait to see the finished article!
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Postby Leander » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:15 pm

Just seen Coachman’s photos Andy. Noticed the mix of one line flat bottom – the other still in bullhead. I wondered …. no stop it… we’re wandering into Mysnot territory.
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Postby Andy C » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:24 am

Leander wrote:Just seen Coachman’s photos Andy. Noticed the mix of one line flat bottom – the other still in bullhead. I wondered …. no stop it… we’re wandering into Mysnot territory.

Thankfully that was checked out before construction commenced – the track goes back to Bullhead just beyond the small quarry at jubilee and before the cattle creep about 300 yards before the Two Briodges Road overbridge – I can just imagine not scoring in the most authentic layout trophy at Nottingham because my tracks wrong :evil: :evil: :evil: :lol: :lol:

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Postby Phil » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:10 am

Andy C wrote:Ive not posted anything recently because in between the last post Christmas occured and all that entails, plus all the action has been going on “on my workbench” although to be correct because of the size of this brute it ended up on a board on the floor in the final throes of being assembled. The goods shed was put together today and temporarily put in place to see how it looked, fitted etc. All Ive got to do now is paint it, put the windows in (I had them etched by Geoff Taylor) put the doors on – oh and slate the roof and put the windows on that (will be looking for a dodge on that one :shock: :lol: )Snip

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Postby EM in Chelmsford » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:17 am

<Drool> <Dribble>Great stuff. Very encouraging. Keep going, and remember it doesn’t have to be totally finished to be both exhibitable and impressive.

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Postby Coachmann » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:36 pm

I suspect BR made civil engineering plans years before they were actually carried out. In the case of trackwork on the Oldham loop line, I imagine one line was repaired with re-useable bullhead and the other upgraded to flat bottom with the long-term view that all the flat bottom track would be eventually slewed together to form single track from Shaw to Rochdale. I’ll bet New Hey is waiting eagerly for some ‘real’ engines…. the Stanier 2-6-4T’s!coachmann

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Postby Andy C » Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:07 pm

The goods shed progresses – now with added brick colour!! I’ve been doing a little experimental work on colouring brickwork in by using water colour pencils on the goods shed – I sprayed the shed with a car spray grey primer first before airbrushing on an overall brick colour – i used a mix on Precision brick red and Humbrol matt yellow to achieve the disticnctive Accrington brick that the shed was constructed in – it came out slightly darker than intended so I set out with the water colour pencils (yellow, ochre, and a red) to achieve the individual brickwork look – i’m reasonably pleased so far but does anyone have any suggestions as to a fixer to use on it without fading it out?Image

A closer look at the brick colour

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Next job is to fix the windows and door and add the lettering below the roofline “Lancashire and Yorkshire Railways Cotton Warehouse” Good job Im not dyslexic with the warehouse bit to do.

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Postby MartinWales » Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:53 pm

Same here Tim! Where are you next Andy?
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Postby Gravy Train » Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:42 pm

Andy, try the Rowney watercolour matt fixative, that usually does the trick.
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Postby Andy C » Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:21 am

Supposed to be at Expo EM north again but Arnolds having a few probs and I may have to drop out – However Im going to be bringing a demo to the RM Web members day – probably only 1 board but as Im in the process of selling the BM 1 series as Im getting a new lease car through work (from a cursed BM owner to Mondeo Man) I may actually be able to fit two boards in as the back of the new mondeo looks big enough!Other than that its Rochdale 2009 – alongside Keyhaven!!

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Postby MartinWales » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:09 am

Looks like I’ve been bumped back a year at EM North too…However if you get a Mondeo Estate surely yor problems are solved?

I wonder if Andy needs a spare operator next February?-I can do alternate hours :mrgreen:

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The other hour probably spent on New Hey! :wink:
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Postby Andy C » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:23 am

MartinWales wrote:The other hour probably spent on New Hey! :wink:

Careless talk like that gets you on the opeating crew. Welcome aboard!!

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Andy C wrote:

MartinWales wrote:The other hour probably spent on New Hey! :wink:

Careless talk like that gets you on the opeating crew. Welcome aboard!!

So next outing Rochdale 2009 then? 8)

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Postby Andy C » Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:10 pm

And a couple of days progress – the work with the watercolour pencils has been completed, the windows put in, the roof formed and scribed and primed but not yet fixed in place – the skylights have to go in first. The lettering is not hand done – its POW Sides gill sans 8mm – absolutely spot on for what was used on the protype but not easy to get right.Image

the next photo is the from the “oldham” side elevation – quite evident here is the fact the roof is still loose. Remaining jobs other than the skylights are the bargeboards and guttering / downspouts and to fix the doors on – these are already scribed from plasticard, painted and weathered and just need fixing on the runners and then to the building

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and the last image is from the Rochdale elevation, again a bit of detailing to go on – for example there were wooden some box like structures on the side walls near the ends. You will also note you never see the South elevation – this is because I cheated and dint model it to any detail (all the windows are cut out and painted etc but as the elevation is tight against the backscene – then why bother!!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby wagonman » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:02 pm

Andy C wrote:And a couple of days progress – the work with the watercolour pencils has been completed, the windows put in, the roof formed and scribed and primed but not yet fixed in place – the skylights have to go in first. The lettering is not hand done – its POW Sides gill sans 8mm – absolutely spot on for what was used on the protype but not easy to get right.Image

I don’t want to rain on your parade, but that typeface is not Gill Sans ??“ if POW sides sold it as that they’re having you on! Mind you, as Gill Sans wasn’t designed until 5 years after the L&YR ceased to exist they probably did you a favour! :wink:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:32 pm

Thats what it says on the POWsides tin – however the name doesnt matter as its a dead ringer for the real McCoy – and yes it was built in stretcher bond (in 1912) the building still exists as part of the New Hey carpets factory complex and access wasnt difficult once i told them the plot!!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:07 pm

The layout is coming on well. The Warehouse is really something. What radius are the curves a each end of the layout Andy?coachmann

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Re: New Hey

Postby wagonman » Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:30 am

Andy C wrote:Thats what it says on the POWsides tin – however the name doesnt matter as its a dead ringer for the real McCoy – and yes it was built in stretcher bond (in 1912) the building still exists as part of the New Hey carpets factory complex and access wasnt difficult once i told them the plot!!

I’m amazed at the construction ??“ but you’ve been there and I haven’t so I bow to your superior knowledge. :shock:

I’m not particularly surprised that POWsides got it wrong though…

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:08 pm

Coachmann wrote:The layout is coming on well. The Warehouse is really something. What radius are the curves a each end of the layout Andy?coachmann

Hi coachman – the inner curves were drawn to a mininmum of 4 foot radius, but it let in some transition curving coming off the main boards so there isnt a sudden switch from the gentle curve on the main boards to one of the “not to be taken at speed” variety :wink:

Ive done the same with the entry / exit from the fiddles to overcome any problems of hitting pointwork direct off a severe curve as well. I think its worth putting in the effort for this, simple but effective.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:23 pm

Hi coachman – the inner curves were drawn to a mininmum of 4 foot radius, but it let in some transition curving coming off the main boards so there isnt a sudden switch from the gentle curve on the main boards to one of the “not to be taken at speed” variety

Thanks for that as I to am aiming for 4ft minimum (I dont want to remove any front steps off locos). Transition curves are well worth the effort, as you say. I’ve been fortunate in having the use of wooden templates that go back donkey’s years, borrowed of a retired surveyor, so making transitions is relatively easy and very satisfying.

I expect one or two Newton Heath Stanier 2-6-4T’s have appeared at New Hey in recent weeks….? :lol: You are modelling on the Oldham Loop. I’m up at Diggle, so I wonder if anyone else is ‘doing’ the area?

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:32 pm

Derek Evans has been talking for years about doing Jubilee Colliery just up the line from New Heyjust realised Ive never put the track plan on!

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:39 pm

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:56 pm

Not been able to do too much over the last 2 weeks – been visiting eldest son and girlfriend in their new apartment in Oslo – (Cheap B and B in a very expensive city :lol: ) riding trams and the T bahn and listening to tales of him finding an uncharted WW2 wreck whilst calibrating and testing the sonars on his company’s nice new survey ship http://www.dofsubsea.com/?page=7&show=168however ill take some photos of the goods shed as the roof and skylights are now fixed and I should have the doors on tomorrow – only the barge boards, fascias, guttering and downpipes to do now – Ill be starting on the signal box next week – a mere fraction smaller but probably more difficult to do!

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:00 pm

Look forward to it!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:38 pm

I like that warehouse, but some weathering job yeh…. :lol: I’ve been studying some LNWR built houses and things and they used black mortar. I wonder what the LYR used on your line?coachmann

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:01 pm

I think the mortar may have been black as but very difficult to tell now as New Hey carpets have built low releif building surrounding the whole shed – and they have repointed it all since they took it over!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:58 pm

As promised!Image

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A bit of stygian gloom at New Hey

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the flash shots are a bit cruel but the manual shots were a bit dark!
I thought I may have got the fascias on today and the bargeboards but i ran out of the U section platruct i use as square guttering – A trip to arcadia beckons this week, I just hope Tim hasnt any new tempting stock in!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Gravy Train » Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:07 pm

Hi there,
i am told that the mortar colour on housing on the LYR when first built was like a ‘purple’-ish’ colour but weathered down very quickly to a blackened colour.
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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:47 pm

Now I don’t fancy weathering that size of building! :?

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Postby Andy C » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:47 pm

The good thing martin is thats it – no further weathering required on the brickwork as Accrington Brick weathered almost not at all – it was / is pretty impervious to grime! Theres still a lot of cotton mill buildings in this area that colour which have never been cleaned.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:38 pm

The good thing martin is thats it – no further weathering required on the brickwork as Accrington Brick weathered almost not at all – it was / is pretty impervious to grime! Theres still a lot of cotton mill buildings in this area that colour which have never been cleaned.

I would be wary of the clean brickwork Andy if you are modelling the 1950’s/60’s. Lancashire was very poluted and just about everything got its fair share of blackening soot. Even after the clean air act was passed, it would have taken years for the weather to clean off years of grime.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:24 pm

Had the camera with me when coming back from Leeds today so got off the M62 a junction early and took a few “now” photosImage

The Huddersfield Road overbridge – this was taken from a spot opposite where the booking hall used to be

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The goods shed looking from Huddersfield Rd in the oldham direction – the yard is now taken up by New Hey carpets – directly below is what used to be the coal yard

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Meanwhile at the other end the now overgrown goods yard throat and the goods shed in the background, looking towards Rochdale

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About as close as you can get without asking permission from the people at New Hey Carpets – taken from the up platform

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:25 pm

Very interesting sweeing these pics Andy….. the place has changed beyond recognition. The tram idea has been on the cards for years. It stalled last time around so has it now got the go-ahead? That section of the ‘loop’ couldnt possibly justify trams really. I would have thought the best plan would be to tap into the Oldham-Rochdale via Royton mainroad seeing as it serves all the housing and Boundary Park Hospital, but I suspect some new road building has been done since I last worked the No.9 bus route…. :lol:coach

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Re: New Hey

Postby Gravy Train » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:30 pm

Andy,
i am amazed at the condition of that Warehouse, concidering it was ex LYR which was extinct by ’19 23′, thats probably how it looked when it was first built.
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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:56 pm

Andy C wrote:The good thing martin is thats it – no further weathering required on the brickwork as Accrington Brick weathered almost not at all – it was / is pretty impervious to grime! Theres still a lot of cotton mill buildings in this area that colour which have never been cleaned.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:54 pm

Coachmann wrote:Very interesting sweeing these pics Andy….. the place has changed beyond recognition. The tram idea has been on the cards for years. It stalled last time around so has it now got the go-ahead? That section of the ‘loop’ couldnt possibly justify trams really. I would have thought the best plan would be to tap into the Oldham-Rochdale via Royton mainroad seeing as it serves all the housing and Boundary Park Hospital, but I suspect some new road building has been done since I last worked the No.9 bus route…. :lol:coach

Yes work starts in the not to distant – the line is very very busy these days, particularly from Shaw and Milnrow as this is now commuter belt – loadings are very heavy during the rush hour particularly so the trams are justified in a way – but id rather have northern rail!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:55 pm

Gravy Train wrote:Andy,
i am amazed at the condition of that Warehouse, concidering it was ex LYR which was extinct by ’19 23′, thats probably how it looked when it was first built.

Indeed it is – absolutely faithful to the plans i got from NRO at Kew!

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Re: New Hey

Postby NorthernGuard » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:09 pm

Northern Heritage Rail is currently basking in the glory of a number of industry-wide awards. In particular they are trumpeting average 20-odd% growth in passenger numbers since they took over the franchise, & on the Oldham loop in particular it’s something like 28%… Now, I realise the Metro trams can work to a greater frequency than heavy rail, but I wonder whether a programme of train & platform lengthening (or restoration in many cases) would be a more cost effective solution? Also, will the existing tramtracks be able to absorb the extra capacity without contributing to the congestion it’s supposed to alleviate? Does anyone have any facts & figures to support/refute any of the above?
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:40 pm

I dont care if they pay thier way or not so long as they look like this…. :P

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Re: New Hey

Postby Tony W » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:51 pm

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….on the Oldham loop in particular it’s something like 28%… Now, I realise the Metro trams can work to a greater frequency than heavy rail, but I wonder whether a programme of train & platform lengthening (or restoration in many cases) would be a more cost effective solution? Also, will the existing tramtracks be able to absorb the extra capacity without contributing to the congestion it’s supposed to alleviate?

You may be right but I’m not sure how much 28% is in terms of additional passengers on the Loop . 28% of not enough is still not enough!
Not sure what you mean about absorbing the extra capacity. With the Oldham Loop going over to Metrolink operation the section from the junction down to Victoria and up to Piccadilly Gardens is going to get very congested if there is a hold up of any sort on the route. Headways should be OK if the route remains free of trouble.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:34 pm

Using existing rail infrastructure does look appealing cost-wide, but a tram wondering off into the countryside doesnt seem right to me. Its a vehicle for stoping at every lamp post and that means tapping the main roads. The old No.9 route from Ashton to Rochdale was one of the busiest for a bus crew, with short-riders out of Ashton and loads up to Oldham, full loads down to Boundary Park Hospital and Royton, a relatively quiet up to Summit, then a hum-dinger at every stop into Rochdale.I think the Oldham to Rochdale section was threatened by Beeching porposals way back as it was always the weakest portion on the ‘loop’ line. Not for nothing was it singled beyind Shaw. Running a tram over railway lines doesnt remove the dissadvantage railways had/have. The only people to benefit are those living near a station, while the rest will continue using buses.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Tony W » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:28 pm

Coachmann wrote:
The old No.9 route from Ashton to Rochdale was one of the busiest for a bus crew, with short-riders out of Ashton and loads up to Oldham, full loads down to Boundary Park Hospital and Royton, a relatively quiet up to Summit, then a hum-dinger at every stop into Rochdale.

The big problem for buses nowadays is having to operate on heavily congested roads. This was one of the reasons that caused the demise of service 400 Trans-Lancs Express. Express wasn’t exactly the right description for it at the end and many users decided to add to the congestion by using their cars!

I think the Oldham to Rochdale section was threatened by Beeching porposals way back as it was always the weakest portion on the ‘loop’ line. Not for nothing was it singled beyind Shaw.

I think you’re right, as too was the Bury-Manchester line which is, of course, now part of the Metrolink network. The price that has had to be paid since the decision to single the line from Shaw will never be known but it must be astronomical due to all the delayed and cancelled services it has caused. Definitely not one of the brightest decisions ever made and it has certainly proved to be somewhat short-sighted!!

Running a tram over railway lines doesnt remove the dissadvantage railways had/have. The only people to benefit are those living near a station, while the rest will continue using buses.

You’re absolutely right but in the case of the Oldham Loop most stations, certainly between Oldham and Rochdale, aren’t a million miles from their respective town centres. I’m not necessarily advocating conversion of the loop to Metrolink operation but one advantage it will have over the existing rail service is if the proposed Oldham Town Centre diversion and Rochdale Town centre extension are constructed.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:40 pm

When BR singled the line, I remember thinking the initials on the BRIAR mill at shaw could stand for.. British Rail Is A Rotter….. :P Apologies too for the bus/tram hijack….my fault. Getting back to Newhey, I’ll bet someone not a million miles away is eagerly awaiting the new Cravens Unit?coach

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:37 pm

The cravens cannot come soon enough Coach! – and as for the thread hi – jack feel free Tony, one things for sure though, nothing metrolink related will be appearing on my version of New Hey :lol:Briar Mill, that brings back memories – I had my first ever summer job there labouring in the warehouse and assisting the mill mechanic servicing doubling frames, Ive never been so glad to get back to the 6th form in my life before :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby sparky » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:53 pm

Damn!!!!…..thought we were going to get an update on the layout. Been waiting for more pics.of your static grass,garage still too cold Andy?Cheers,
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:55 pm

sparky wrote:Damn!!!!…..thought we were going to get an update on the layout. Been waiting for more pics.of your static grass,garage still too cold Andy?Cheers,
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Too busy in Nottingham – but Ive a week off next week and besides visiting a show in yorkshire will be getting on – Spring has come and the weather is warmer!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:04 pm

The goods shed is finished and finally in place but not yet stuck in – the cobblestoned yard has to be sorted first!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Gravy Train » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:15 am

Hi Andy,What have you used for the cobbles or stone sets?
Have you seen the large howard scenics stone sets, i have just picked some up they look superb and having seen them used on a layout they realy did look the part, they are of course embossed in card A4 size ( freestone models ).

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:56 am

Have you seen the large howard scenics stone sets, i have just picked some up they look superb and having seen them used on a layout they realy did look the part, they are of course embossed in card A4 size ( freestone models ).

Any chance of a picture here Gravy as I’m about to lay a road to the goods yard (by coincidence) and those cobbles sound interesting. I’ve already got Will’s sheets.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Gravy Train » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:27 pm

Hi Coachman,Here is a couple of photos of the product but difficult to photograph with it being white card:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Graham_Muz » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:32 pm

AndyThe good shed looks stunning. I cant wait to see more of this layout.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:57 pm

Thanks GravyTrain, they look more like the cobbled roads I saw in Oldham…….I dont know if Andy agrees….? I must get some.coach

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Re: New Hey

Postby Gravy Train » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:07 pm

Coachman, one thing to add, don’t have your paint too thick so as to loose the definition in the embossing :wink:
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:48 pm

Hi GT/ Coachmanthe cobblestones in the photo are the metcalfe pre coloured stuff – seemed a good idea at the time but the joints in the sheets are a bit obvious and difficult to disguise – also they are self adhesive and have a tendency to lift. I used the howard scenicss sheet in the goods yard on “Spotland Bridge” and found them really good – using as you suggest GT, a thinish mix of paint so as not to lose the releif. I then washed it with a brown / black and quickly wiped it out to get the courses out. And yes coachman they are correct for this area – being a bit anal like that I measured some at the bottom of the lane from us :mrgreen:

Dont know why I didnt use the Howard Scenics sheet again – laziness I suppose as there is a hell of a lot to do – the long area between the coal road and the reception siding is over 8 foot long. Scribing in DAS is not an option :D However I do have two packs of the HS sheets left and just ordered another two packs from Gerry Freestone at York show this afternoon so the Metcalfe sheets will be ripped up (I can use them inside the goods shed where I cant paint!). As soon as i get to work ill post some pictures.

In the meantime last night i started the signal box – 3 walls of the base got done – again more pics to follow!

Graham – No probs mate we had a few problems in the fiddle yard with points not selecting – seeing your pride and joy Peak on the Thames Clyde ram the back end of the long coal does a lot to keep you focussed on what you are driving rather than the crowd unfortunately – and Sunday I had the mother of all hangovers!! – problems solved now so we should be our usual happy selves at railex where I hope my peak will be safe :thup

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Postby Andy C » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:24 pm

A change of building!Words cannot describe how nice it is to leave something as big as the goods shed behind and concentrate on a mere tiddler of a building, the signal box. New Hey box was a type 1 L and Y box measuring a mere 14 foot one and a half inches (count em!!) by twelve foot. The locking room sides are now done – Ive taken the unusual course (for me) of scribing the locking room door in situ – this was to maintain structural strength – even the hinges were put on at this stage. the brick arces are scribed in place, the cut outs being done with yet another esential tool for the plasticard modeller – an Olfa compass cutter.

The window etches were done as part of this project for me by Dave Smith and marketed by my good mate John Taylor of Uncommon Kits – he got a good write up in MRJ with these, shame he failed to mention the two unfortunates (yours truly and Ian Worthington) who had to spend a Sunday afternoon in a certain Calder Valley signal box just checking that all the books measurements were right, lifes a right b*stard sometimes lol!!!!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Captain Kernow » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:36 pm

Andy C wrote:had to spend a Sunday afternoon in a certain Calder Valley signal box just checking that all the books measurements were right, lifes a right b*stard sometimes lol!!!!!

The onerous reality of prototype research….. :wink: :wink:

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:25 pm

Andy C wrote: shame he failed to mention the two unfortunates (yours truly and Ian Worthington) who had to spend a Sunday afternoon in a certain Calder Valley signal box just checking that all the books measurements were right, lifes a right b*stard sometimes lol!!!!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:06 pm

Captain Kernow wrote:

Andy C wrote:had to spend a Sunday afternoon in a certain Calder Valley signal box just checking that all the books measurements were right, lifes a right b*stard sometimes lol!!!!!

The onerous reality of prototype research….. :wink: :wink:

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The arches are cut out of 20thou plasticard using the compass cutter set at the inner, then then outer radii of the arch. At that stage its not a complete cut through because I then use a scraperboard knife to scribe in the brick arch. that doneI then push the circle out of the plasticard, push the middle out of the scribed circle, cut the protion of the arch to size and Mek it onto the sub layer (30 thou) – the arches being cut in the brick courses before fixing the sub layer. I completed the locking room this pm – its now awaits the top of the box which will be fun to make :lol: I use Mek as its a bit more gentle on the 20 thou than butanaone or plastic weld.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:15 pm

MartinWales wrote:

Andy C wrote: shame he failed to mention the two unfortunates (yours truly and Ian Worthington) who had to spend a Sunday afternoon in a certain Calder Valley signal box just checking that all the books measurements were right, lifes a right b*stard sometimes lol!!!!!

I’m sure your reward was certain liquid refreshment! :wink:

I was too knackered for that as the signal person at the second box we visited that day got me pulling the levers – the big laugh at my expense when said signal person asked me to pull off the up distant for a manchester bound 158 – which is quite a good distance away from the box. Now Ive done this before over a long distance, and not wanting to look a complete prat and expecting a heavy pull, manfully gave the lever a strong pull back. Picking myself up of the floor at the back of the box a few seconds later, said signalperson dryly uttered “Did i forget to mention that distant is motor driven?”

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Re: New Hey

Postby Phil » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:42 pm

Andy C wrote:

MartinWales wrote:

Andy C wrote: shame he failed to mention the two unfortunates (yours truly and Ian Worthington) who had to spend a Sunday afternoon in a certain Calder Valley signal box just checking that all the books measurements were right, lifes a right b*stard sometimes lol!!!!!

I’m sure your reward was certain liquid refreshment! :wink:

I was too knackered for that as the signal person at the second box we visited that day got me pulling the levers – the big laugh at my expense when said signal person asked me to pull off the up distant for a manchester bound 158 – which is quite a good distance away from the box. Now Ive done this before over a long distance, and not wanting to look a complete prat and expecting a heavy pull, manfully gave the lever a strong pull back. Picking myself up of the floor at the back of the box a few seconds later, said signalperson dryly uttered “Did i forget to mention that distant is motor driven?”

Thats a bit naughty. They always used to chop a bit of the top of the levers when they were electrificated.

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No 64 points on the other hand was a double slip which turned traffic off the Down into the downside yard, and this was a killer – used every afternoon by the Aylesbury “ducks”.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:43 pm

More signal box progress today:The box sides have been completed from 30thou plasticard, evergreen sheet and microstrip. Next job will to be to fix it together then paint the window frames, locking room and box before putting the windows and doors in and starting on the roof as a separate assembly, and adding some interior detail to the box itself.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy G » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:06 pm

Looking good Andy, but where’s the second one :lol: ?Andy

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Re: New Hey

Postby blackwatchmeld » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:51 pm

Hi AndyWhen are you running the next working with plasticard MIC as that sinal Box looks great ??

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:06 pm

Andy G wrote:Looking good Andy, but where’s the second one :lol: ?Andy

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Postby MartinWales » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:31 pm

C’mon! Give the man a chance! :roll:
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Postby Andy G » Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:11 am

MartinWales wrote:C’mon! Give the man a chance! :roll:

I did – I’m quietly ignoring the third one he’s promised for the time being :winker (Two and three for Slattocks Junction, not New Hey)

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:36 pm

Not quite as fast progress as i thought as the painting – which needs to be done at this stage before fitting the windows in place is taking a while longer than I thought – mainly through having to wait for various coats to dry cement courses have been run in just need to colour in the brickwork properly! Still need to think through the interior detailing process. Only then will i really start the Slattocks Box(es) Andy!!!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:11 pm

What colour have you used for the “red” signalbox framing Andy?coach

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Postby Andy C » Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:27 am

Its Railmatch BR Maroon Coachman – I was really struggling to come up with what looked the genuine article for the framing and resorted to this as in most pictures i have indicates red framing – it looks a bit garish under the light though so I will tone it down (as I did the goods shed doors with a light wash of matt varinish with a little matt white in to age the paint/ wood. it does need another coat ofvmarroon first though as the creanm underneath still shows through – the usual problems of using red paint!!!!
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Postby Coachmann » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:06 am

Hi Andy,
It is a subject I’m interested in as I remember the stations being repainted in cream and carmine red in the earlier 1950’s, or at least I assumed it was carmine (it was certainly much lighter than the maroon BR adopted later on). However, I’ve since learned the LMS started using Venetian Red circa 1937 and it may have been this colour that BR continued to use for a while. It bleached and went matt after some years, as all colours did, and took on a purplish-pink shade, but it has been a difficult colour to capture. In the end I used a mix of BR blood with white and a touch of black. A good idea of the colour can be gauged from photos in Jane’s ‘London Midland Steam in Colour’ by Hugh Ballantine (published 1984), pages 1, 12 and 50.coach

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Re: New Hey

Postby Gravy Train » Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:36 am

Hi Andy C & Ccoachman,There are two types of BR Presician paint BR Maroon, unfortunatley they don’t provide a matt but they do a ( dull ) version which is more convincing.
The other alternative is to use (Tamiya Accrilic Hull red ) LNWR match then dry brush with Presician BR dull Maroon, this finish can look uncanyly realistic, it gives this bleached effect Coachman relates to.

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Re: New Hey

Postby beast66606 » Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:37 am

The official term was Gulf Red and cream – I have an official letter somewhere regarding repainting of the boxes in my local area, ex LNWR, ex LMSR eventually BR(LMR). The name boards on boxes often remained in gulf red after the box had been further repainted although it faded badly over the years.The old prototype models LNWR box (Draughton Crossing) kit had the British Standard numbers detailed iirc.

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Postby Andy C » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:51 am

Its the usual problem of red being such an unstable colour when exposed to sunlight I suspect you could put anything on, fade it out and be right!! Id love to see a colour patch for the BR Gulf red though just to see how close it is to the Railmatch maroon.Once had a company vauxhall astra that had turned pink by the time renewal came on 3 yeras down the line – I was glad I’d not paid for it!

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Postby beast66606 » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:57 am

Andy,From the LMR signalling standards – Gulf red is BS381C item 473

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Re: New Hey

Postby 10800 » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:58 am

Have you considered Precision “BR Crimson (Faded)” ?
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Postby Andy C » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:04 pm

10800 wrote:Have you considered Precision “BR Crimson (Faded)” ?

Not clocked that one Rod, will keep am eye out for that. Cheers

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:54 pm

Not heard of that one myself! Thanks for the nod! :thup
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:17 pm

The carmine red I referred to earlier is crimson (or blood as some call it). Mixed with white to bleach it then a very minute touch of black to kill the brightness, it looks okay on LMR signalboxes and station buildings representing the 1950s – early 1960’s. I used to have a tin of SR Venetian red…. this is worth a look at too. In my opnion, BR maroon/LMS crimson lake is too dark for this period.Interestingly and on a slightly different theme, Greg Fox told me the LMS continued with LNWR colours, and so did BR. Signal boxes in south Manchester were all painted in LNWR colours in the early 1980’s. British Railways Colours 06C33 and 06C39, light and dark stone.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:32 pm

After 2 more sessions with the box its getting there! Spot the deliberate mistake – I had to increase the height of the box, the photos show the lower brick band round the locking room 2 courses above ground – checking the model against the platform on the layout it looked too low so a revisit seemd to show the land banked up to the box – this must have happened later in its life as a photo Ive got taken around 1906 shows the band deeper – hence the sudden appearance of 6 extra courses of brick work – this wont be seen as it will be buried but I know its there!!The sash windows have to be added yet (they are at the side in the photos) and the roof bargeboards etc painted and a few bits of detail added outside such as gutters and downspouts, a tad more weathering and then plonked in place on layout. (edit – oh and I forgot about the steps and landing from the plaform to the door)

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Re: New Hey

Postby sparky » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:01 pm

Thats looking good Andy,the etched window frames really look the part. :thup .Wish i had used some on my own box.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:02 pm

The box is nearly there – some internal detailing and a more on the paint job, and the downspouts – these are made but cant be put in place till the roof is down. I also suddenly realised i need to make the home signal as well which is platform mounted and in the photos show the posistion – this was this afternoons work – sandwiched between playing a march job at lunchtime, watching the Spansih GP and our annual St georges day concert tonight!!
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Re: New Hey

Postby sparky » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:15 pm

Hi Andy,That looks really good,i’ve been following your build with interest as i’ve been building a model of the old box at Cardigan at the same time.Been picking up tips from you as you’ve progressed……….thanks :thup On a different note have you done anymore work with the static grass?Cheers,
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Re: New Hey

Postby davidpk212 » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:52 pm

Ooh, I like that. A lot.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun May 04, 2008 10:12 pm

A slight change of direction as Im waiting to get some wire for the signal operation – this weekend saw the engineering shop (Now Dunbar Engineering) being built – the workshop is at the side of Two Bridges Road and i measured it up last weekend, yet another bit of trespassing on site. Originally I thought this building was off scene but a recent visit told me otherwise. Its was an afternoons work to get it so far, , compared to the signal box and the gods shed its a straight box – apart from where it merges into the backscene. The shot from undrneath gives an idea of the construction – it a Slaters brick exterior, with a layer of 30 thou underneath and then a layer of forty thou on that. Its well braced in the corners and should need no further bracing as the base will be set into the baseboard itself.Next job on this is to put the corrugated asbestos roof on!! followed by the bargeboards etc, then painting before the glazing is added.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Beardybloke » Fri May 09, 2008 11:09 am

Very nice work Andy :thupHow are you planning on blending the engineering shop into the backscene (or aren’t you)? It’s one of the many problems I’ve got to solve with my layout so I’ll be continuing to watch with interest :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby Captain Kernow » Fri May 09, 2008 8:11 pm

Andy, I understand that you are using etched windows for the main part of the box (Modelex/Churchward?), but what are the window units on the bit of glazing in this photo, please?

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat May 10, 2008 6:59 am

The blending into the backscene is a problem – I think it will have to follow the line of perspective but until it gets sketched on Im not sure how it will look. It also needs to be discussed with Mrs C for it is she who is the artist and who will paint the backscenes!Captain – the window etches are produced by Uncommon Kits – John Taylor. They were done especially for the three ex L and Y layouts I was involved in building – one has fallen by the wayside but the other (MMRS Slattocks Junction) is the next box to be built. The sash windows in the picture are off the same etch they just look flat on in the picture and maybe my method of fixing them on gives the impression they are painted / printed on. I fix window etches to glazing material using spray mount. paint the etch up first, spray the back with spray mount, stick it to the glazing, let it go off for 24 hours then cut round the etch with a sharp scalpel. i then paint the edges to give the depth of the window framing on the sash windows, It works quite well.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sat May 10, 2008 7:28 am

Rarely two LYR boxes were alike on the Oldham Loop, which I suppose reflects the haphazard way the line developed. The ugliest must be Middleton and the most outrageous Royton. The box at Newhey was positively ‘normal’ (similar to Mumps No.2 except the latter had fretted bargeboards), and you’ve captured it well there Andy. All you need do now is throw plenty of soot at it! Regarding the engineering works, it is a pity it wasnt surrounded by tall trees to help merge it into the backscene.coach

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sat May 10, 2008 8:11 am

Are we going to see the layout on a shakedown session soon then Andy? :)
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Re: New Hey

Postby Captain Kernow » Sat May 10, 2008 8:56 am

Andy C wrote:I fix window etches to glazing material using spray mount. paint the etch up first, spray the back with spray mount, stick it to the glazing, let it go off for 24 hours then cut round the etch with a sharp scalpel. i then paint the edges to give the depth of the window framing on the sash windows, It works quite well.

Ah, thanks. Exactly the same method I use for doing Churchward/Modelex windows to my signalboxes… :)

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Postby Andy C » Sat May 10, 2008 9:02 am

I wish there were trees there in the 1960’s coach – there are now. Its a bl**dy ugly building but i suppose as its there and it is a protoype layout then its got to go in :roll:And as for a shakedown Martin Im trying to get a weekend in the Scout Hut at Norden again this summer, when i intend to turn the Sunday into an informal RMWeb NWAG session – all RM webbers invited and raise a little funds for the Scouts / Guides as well. I will make an announcement soon but its likely to be around early August.

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Postby MartinWales » Sat May 10, 2008 1:44 pm

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon May 12, 2008 9:40 pm

More of the Engineering shop – its now almost finished – just a tad more painting to be done , an rainwater hopper and drainpipe to go in at the end of the roof valley and two drainpipes at the ends, plus dirtying the windows a bit (a quick spray of matt varnish to take a bit of the “shine” off the plastiglaze and get that industrial look), then its to be planted on the layout – the groundcover where its going got hacked out yesterday. At the moment its still on the workbench awaiting finishing.The window frames are out of microstrip and took me most of this evening!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby mines a pint » Mon May 12, 2008 10:17 pm

The window frames are out of microstrip and took me most of this evening!!

Have you any tips for this? took me 3 attempts on one building (with only 3 windows) and although its passable as it is derilict, it kind of puts me off doing more! :roll:
I’d like to know how you get that many windows looking that neat in such a short space of time- maybe its just practise :?:

In particular what is the secret in getting the vertical and horizontal sections to join neatly?

– do you do the windows ‘in situ’ or pre-make them then fit to the building?

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Postby Andy C » Tue May 13, 2008 5:32 am

Hi RussI do the windows “in situ” – the glazing material is first put into the window aperture and then left to go off for a bit before attempting the glazing bars – i spent threquarters of an hour on RMWeb yestererday evening. It then out with the microstip – – I lay an upright bar in first, butt it down to the nottom end of the window sill then with a sharp scalpel blade just nick it at the top of thw indow, slide into place and Mek. I follow the same routine with the rest of the surround. If a glazing bar is slightly short or theres a gap no prob as you can stretch the microstrip a bit once the Mek is on by putting the blade tip on and gently teasing it across.

as for the straightness of the bars the longditudinals were no probelm as they were following a brick course the middle bars were put in “rack o’th eye” to be honest, so long as the microstrips not curly its easy enough to do!

If im doing a non white frame i tend to do it off the model by getting some 10 thou plasticard and cutting a rectangular hole in it the dimensions of the frame insides (thats including cutting in any glazing bars) and paint it before offering to the glazing material ( I use the stuff made by Bayer, cant remember the brand name but it comes in a blue cellophane protection), its then mek’d into place on the inside of the building. Hope this helps.

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Re: New Hey – An open running session !!!!! RM Web members only

Postby Andy C » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:08 pm

OK Folks Ive been plotting and talking about this for a few months now and spoke to Andy Y about it at Railex.We are going to have a sort of semi RM Web “members day” when New Hey will be up and running on Sunday 10th August – maybe a couple of other layouts in attendance as well.

The venue will be St Pauls Scout Hut, Blackpits Road, Norden, Rochdale, No charge but we will be rattling a tin for donations for the scouts and we do intend putting on some tea coffee and maybe some refreshments dependant on numbers – 10 am – 4pm and all RM Web members are welcome – more details as we go along. If you are interested in atending pleaselet me know so we know how many to cater for!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby caley439 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:46 pm

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Re: New Hey

Postby Black And Decker Boy » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:29 pm

At long last, Mr Caley breaks cover, welcome to the 21st Century :waveLooks like Mr Caley and myself may be in with a shout of joining you Andy :clap , Mrs Caley and the future Black and Decker Girl are doing London so party on :wow .

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Postby Andy C » Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:40 pm

caley439 wrote:Andy
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whey hey well and truly broken v=cover – Yes Tony bob on it should be sunday 10th, was late last night when i posted it thats my excuse and im sticking to it!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:49 pm

Count me in!Pete

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:57 pm

Black And Decker Boy wrote:At long last, Mr Caley breaks cover, welcome to the 21st Century :waveLooks like Mr Caley and myself may be in with a shout of joining you Andy :clap , Mrs Caley and the future Black and Decker Girl are doing London so party on :wow .

Being an RMWEB do, are RMRG membership rules suspended or do I need to come prepared? :mutter

As RMRG are doing Saturday as well, doing some work on the layout, normal RMRG rules will be in operation undoubtedly starting in the Cemetary Inn and ending at a curry house yet to be specified
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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:49 pm

As RMRG are doing Saturday as well, doing some work on the layout, normal RMRG rules will be in operation undoubtedly starting in the Cemetary Inn and ending at a curry house yet to be specified

Even more reasons to be in attendance! :drool

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:53 pm

Leander wrote:

As RMRG are doing Saturday as well, doing some work on the layout, normal RMRG rules will be in operation undoubtedly starting in the Cemetary Inn and ending at a curry house yet to be specified

Even more reasons to be in attendance! :drool

haha need accomodation on Saturday Pete? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:02 pm

I think that driving home might pose something of a problem – so thanks for the offer and I’ll take you up on it.

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Postby Andy C » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:04 pm

Always on the lookout for good ideas, I was in the process of doing the engineering shop yard when I remembered Mr Nevards work with his – and the clay. A pack of air drying clay was obtained yesterday and in an attempt to pre – prep the board (for this is the one coming to the RM Web members day) it was duly laid this afternoon. I will probably be doing the painting / grassing at the members day. The board will also be up for running.The 108 has just come off the workbench where yellow panels were being added – its one of the new power twins, most appropriate for the line. It has had Branclines wheels put in (and chemically blackened) a lenz silver in the power car and a cheapo bachy chip in the back for the lights. A light touch of weathering to the underframes and roof is next, the sides of these were kept pretty clean by Newton Heaths washing plant!.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Gaz247 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:13 pm

Andy C wrote:never sure what the steps leading down the embankment were as there is no door there!

Something for Kenneth Moore to run up before crossing the Forth rail bridge?

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:29 pm

Nice work Andy-I’ll look forward to seeing this at Members Day!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:16 am

In preparation for RM Web members day on Saturday, the embankment in the pictures above grew some long grass last night – it will be growing some more on the day. the “advance work has been done so that I may demonstrate cutting the undergrowth back a bit!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:49 am

By gum Andy, you’re up early. It is a very slow process once the scenery and building start isn’t it. To save me going through the whole thread, what it is period of your layout? I ask because of the DMU as I thought you were running a steam service around the loop.When I was commuting from Oldham into Manchester in 1958-9, I first saw the DMU’s on driver training/timetabling, then had a ride home one teatime when the DMU service went public. It was interesting if only to see the view ahead, but there were still steam hauled trains as well into 1959 at peak hours and I used them as much as possible after that. Oddly enough, it was quite rare to get a 2-6-4T once the DMU’s too over and I travelled behind Crab’s, 4F’s, Black Five’s and even an ailing Jubilee.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:38 pm

Early riser indeed – I was off up working in “the Kremlin” ( DWP HQ at Quarry House, Leeds) for the day and wanted to avoid the car park commonly known as the M62 in rush hour. Seeing as I was working with our intelligence team I thought i should use it :lol: :lol: :lol:The time period question is interesting – The original intention was 61 /2 or thereabouts so as to use my A class and Aspinall class 23 on the trip workings. However i find myself being more and more drawn to down and out steam, diesels and matters blue as time goes by. We will be experimenting at our open day with the timetabling and I am thinking radical here by starting off shows in the period just post 57 (in 56, the year of my birth the track plan was changed taking out a crossowver in front of the signal cabin – the layout is without that crossover). As the day goes on so will the time period so that the 2 – 6 – 4 and subs will be removed for DMUs etc, the L and y classes will dissapear early afternoon, more green diesels and the run down Brit will appear so that by closing time we will have reached 1968 and steam will just be about abolished and blue things creeping in. 10 years in a day – an interesting concept, not sure if it wil work.

EDIT Oh and its always the last two full weeks in June on the layout, any self respecting roughyead will know the reason why :lol: :lol:

Everyones thoughts are welcome on this – have a chat on members day this Saturday, or come alomg to the running session / NW members day on 10th Aug.

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:42 pm

That I do like the sound of Andy-Look forward to seeing you at Member’s Day!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:14 pm

I wasnt going to post any photos of the prep work before this Saturday, but here goes for those who wont be there. The grass will be cut back for the audience on saturday, and more grass grown on the dark green sub base.

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The rest of the layout is not being neglected, the “snow” cover is howard scenics granite sets being laid – these should be in and painted by the NW members / running day on 10th aug.

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Re: New Hey

Postby 62613 » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:21 pm

Andy, where did that wig come from?
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Postby Andy C » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:25 pm

62613 wrote:Andy, where did that wig come from?

Not from my bald pate

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:44 pm

The class 23 made a return at the members day – a new decoder has been bought ( a TCS M1 encapsulated) so hopefully the current burnt chip inside can be replaced without a repeat fry up on the live chassis.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:36 pm

Oh my, that Saddletank looks lovely. A Newton Heath engine on a trip working from Royton Junction no doubt? Interested to see what you do with that long hair grass in due course.(End of June = Owdham Wakes… :lol:)

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Postby Andy C » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:44 pm

Coachmann wrote:Oh my, that Saddletank looks lovely. A Newton Heath engine on a trip working from Royton Junction no doubt? Interested to see what you do with that long hair grass in due course.(End of June = Owdham Wakes… :lol:)

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The 23 is a London road kit and an enjoyable build, as John Redrup replaced the original George Norton etched brass saddletank (a real bar steward to fabricate) with a “milky bar” casting.

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Re: New Hey

Postby mines a pint » Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:09 am

The carpet underfelt will be cut back with a sharp pair of scissors and then sprayed with a thin wash of green.

-thanks for the demo/chat on smoking grass Andy.. oops i meant modelling grass!

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Postby Andy C » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:09 am

mines a pint wrote:

The carpet underfelt will be cut back with a sharp pair of scissors and then sprayed with a thin wash of green.

-thanks for the demo/chat on smoking grass Andy.. oops i meant modelling grass!

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Re: New Hey

Postby edubs » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:19 am

Afghan Black comes in solid form, I think you’ll get much better results with either white widow or sensimillia.
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Postby Andy C » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:30 am

edubs wrote:Afghan Black comes in solid form, I think you’ll get much better results with either white widow or sensimillia.

I was thinking of skunk originally but that might have been a bit over the top :lol:

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Re: New Hey

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Postby Andy C » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:33 am

MartinWales wrote:You guys seem to have an unnaturally large amount of knowledge about the above substances!

You may think that Martin, I could not possibly comment.

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Postby edubs » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:39 am

Just dont ask me about my china clay wagon weathering techniques.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:47 pm

In preparation for the NW members day this coming Sunday, the Noch grassmaster and the carpet underlay have been in constant use over the weekend!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby sb67 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:54 pm

Looking good! I really like the look of the warehouse and the sidings leading to it, I spoke to you briefly at the members day and you mentioned ‘silver sand’ that you coloured as ballast, I’ve looked for the stuff in b&q to no avail, where abouts do you get yours and is there an alternative?
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Postby Andy C » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:51 pm

Hi SbI got mine from the dreaded B n Q – not sure if it was called siver sand or not there, but its in the builders merchant bit and its the very fine dry stuff. I dry it our even further, seive it (dont tell SWMBO) with a fine kitchen seive, then spray it with matt black car spray until you get a ash ballast browny black colour!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby fgt » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:27 pm

Could it be children’s play sand? That is extremely fine.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Captain Kernow » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:36 pm

Seriously impressive brick warehouse, Andy, hadn’t spotted that before, excellent bit of scratchbuilding! :thup
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:03 pm

Cheers Captain.
A bit of a monumental effort to build it and i think I used most of the European Plasticard mountain in doing so but it feels good to see it firmly planted on the baseboards at last.I will post some better photos once the layout is up this weekend and is properly stocked up.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:31 am

It’s all taking shape nicely now Andy. Those buildings look very nice especially the stone ones. You have got a lead on me having ballasted all the track as well. I recognise a North Western dekker on the bridge, but is the other SHMD Joint Board? Silly me no, its Rochdale Corporation yeh….? :lol: Tell you what does stand out, the track in the yard. It has that well-used never been relaid for donkey’s years look about it.coachmann

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:37 am

Its a Rochdale Cororation bus done for the layout by Phil Taylor

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(The phantom bus builder to rear of shot in dark T shirt!!)

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:15 am

Now that Rochdale bus does intrigue me. I havent seen a Weymann body from EFE or Corgi, which is why I still havent got a Rochale bus in my collection, so I assume its from a old Westward bus kit?coach

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Re: New Hey

Postby Suddaby » Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:27 am

Hi AndyC,Layouts looking good Andy, as Coachman said the goods yard has that vaguely disused 60’s look to it.

Have a good day, sorry I can’t be with you as Leander has no doubt explained – I see he made it!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Gravy Train » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:11 pm

Hi Andy,I like the photos, i think you have captured the location very well and i agree with coachman , i like the under-used sidings to the wharehouse which would be right for the period modelled, i wish i had the space for such a project.
I would have liked to come over today but i have a customer coming over to collect Oswestry coaling stage 7mm ( the oposition GWR ) , so for now will make do with the photos.

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:19 pm

A little gremlin in the fiddle yard contrived to make a few problems evidentHowever behind the layout I caught sight of this sign-Stif Upper Lip’n’ that! :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:08 pm

Thanks for the images Martin heres some more!by the end of the afternoon we had “normalised” the running and had the full use of all the fiddle yard roads, a bit too late to run the timetable but there you go :lol:

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All in all a good weekend and my poster above the layout did apply, Keep calm and carry on :clap (if anyone wants a similar poster i do have the contact, but beware it wasnt cheap!!)

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Re: New Hey

Postby Yorkshire Pullman » Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:58 pm

MartinWales wrote:A little gremlin in the fiddle yard contrived to make a few problems evidentHowever behind the layout I caught sight of this sign-Stif Upper Lip’n’ that! :D

The sign would make a really good avatar. I’ve just reverted to my tail lamp piccy though so if anyone else would like to use it (after asking Martin’s permission of course) here it is, resized and ready to go.

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I had a super time in Norden today, thanks to the Rochdale lads for their warm hospitality and hot tea. Both the Brechin and New Hey layouts are excellent examples of modelling real places and I will definitely be going to the 2009 show in Rochdale for New Hey’s public debut (7/8 February at Oulder Hill Leisure Centre OL11 5EF).

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D’ya know what Bob? I’ll think i will use it myself ta! :mrgreen:
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Re: New Hey

Postby 10800 » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:23 am

This is looking very nice now Andy, look forward to seeing it some time :)
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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:59 am

This is looking very nice now Andy, look forward to seeing it some time :)

First time out will be the Rochdale show next February.

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Re: New Hey

Postby mines a pint » Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:20 pm

Leander wrote:

This is looking very nice now Andy, look forward to seeing it some time :)

First time out will be the Rochdale show next February.

-Dont forget yer coat! :wink:

Nice pics all, shame to have missed the running day!

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Re: New Hey – the Footbridge!!

Postby Andy C » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:28 pm

Various things seem to have got in the way of any serious work on the layout of late, not least organising Manchester show and having to have an assignement for University handed in the Monday after Manchester show. Ouch.However lurking on the workbench is the footbridge which was going to be entered into the MMRS competition but as you can see theres no way thats going to happen now : Construction is of brass section (the structuraly important bits ) and plastruct sections. So far its the brass work which is a pain, it requires the use of strategicaly placed heat sinks to stop the heat transfer into joints you have already done. Its taking a long time to do as a consequence. Ive no dimensional drawings as it seems to be a bit of a L and Y one off – see the photos of the real thing, although the two piers would look to be a standard product and ive used that to dimension the rest.

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Put it this way, Im glad I only have to do this once!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:48 pm

Some more work on the footbridge last night, I wish I had asbestos fingers though

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More tonight. The provenance of the actual Staircase is from and old Scale Link etched brass kit which i started for another layout a long time ago when I didnt know any better. However it presented a solution to a knotty problem so with a little bit of remedial work its just fitted the bill.

(for those interested and Coachman, the photo in the background is 37 422 whic is at Blaneau Festinniog at the FR gala in the year dot when it was named Merdyn Emrys at the station – hence the out of the box condition)

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:52 pm

more work tonight, extra bracing out of brass was put in, and the hoops over the bridge. I built a jig out of 60 thou plasticard tonight to do this (pic 1). I think this is the end of the soldering, its all plastruct and superglue from here on – after the bridge has had all the flux washed off with shiny sinks!!

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I will be having a proper running session in late December to prep the timetable and bottom out any stock problems before the layout gets shown at Rochdale in February 2009. Whilst its not a formal RM Web open day as in August, If anyone wants a look, or anyone who is an experienced operator, and would be interested in an operators berth at Rochdale (and at Manchester 09) where I may be a bit short of operators please PM me.

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Re: New Hey

Postby timlewis » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:04 pm

Footbridge is looking really good, as indeed is the whole layout. I saw the part you took to the Members Day in July, but the pics of the whole thing look tremendous, especially now that it has evolved a bit more. The lack of compression really pays off, gives a nice flowing feel: if you’ve got (or can make) the space, it’s got to be the way to go to model real locations.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:28 pm

I was at the naming ceremony of 37422. Back to Lancashire and your layout is really coming to life now. You’ve got a working 4F an’ all! Thanks for the tip on siding ash-ballast.coach

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Re: New Hey

Postby mines a pint » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:18 pm

timlewis wrote:Footbridge is looking really good, as indeed is the whole layout. I saw the part you took to the Members Day in July, but the pics of the whole thing look tremendous, especially now that it has evolved a bit more. The lack of compression really pays off, gives a nice flowing feel: if you’ve got (or can make) the space, it’s got to be the way to go to model real locations.

-Not just the space either, sure it must a huge commitment both space and timewise not least in a ‘making sure its right’ patience sort of way too, the results are well worth it, I wish I had that kind of patience and tenacity!
-Looking forward to Rochdale 2009, even bought a new coat! :wink: :twisted:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:30 pm

mines a pint wrote:

timlewis wrote:Footbridge is looking really good, as indeed is the whole layout. I saw the part you took to the Members Day in July, but the pics of the whole thing look tremendous, especially now that it has evolved a bit more. The lack of compression really pays off, gives a nice flowing feel: if you’ve got (or can make) the space, it’s got to be the way to go to model real locations.

-Not just the space either, sure it must a huge commitment both space and timewise not least in a ‘making sure its right’ patience sort of way too, the results are well worth it, I wish I had that kind of patience and tenacity!
-Looking forward to Rochdale 2009, even bought a new coat! :wink: :twisted:

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You are right on there, its taken a lot of time, research ,patience and as you say tenacity. There has been several times when Ive felt like throwing the towel in but the secret is to walk away from whats frustrating you and do something else instead – come back to it again a few weeks later.. thats one of the reasons the footbridge has taken so long, but now Ive broken the back of it I will make faster progress.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:46 pm

A call to arms from MacGeordie has been answered and the station end board will be appearing at the Huddersfield Clubs show at Holmfirth this weekend.

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scenic work will be demo’d and hopefully the finishing of the foobridge, to be ceremonially glued to the platforms (over the crossover in the above picture) during the weekend :thup

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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:59 pm

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even bought a new coat

What makes yer think yer’ll need a coat? :shock:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:46 pm

I was commuting to Manchester from Oldham Central when the DMU’s were on driver training. They were exciting times with new Units appearing on a monthly basis. A very posh BRCW Unit turned up one teatime just as depicted in your latest photo of the layout. It made all the other Units look very dowdy by comparison. In 1958/9 one could also see the original Metro-Cammell Units with buffer cowlings working into Man Vic (from Bury I think). Good luck this weekend.

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Postby Andy C » Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:40 am

Coachmann wrote:I was commuting to Manchester from Oldham Central when the DMU’s were on driver training. They were exciting times with new Units appearing on a monthly basis. A very posh BRCW Unit turned up one teatime just as depicted in your latest photo of the layout. It made all the other Units look very dowdy by comparison. In 1958/9 one could also see the original Metro-Cammell Units with buffer cowlings working into Man Vic (from Bury I think). Good luck this weekend.coach

Indeed the original metro cams worked in from Bury, they were working the Bacup branch at that time and also ventured onto the Oldham loop according to some pictures i have. theres a metrocam to go on the layout – its converted but unlike these other two not yet weathered (and needs a yelllow warning panel. Ive also one Ive resprayed into blue which will appear on the layout in the not to distant as a sign of the “New Order” appearing (breaks into a chorus of “Blue Monday” :lol: :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:10 pm

More progress after the Demo at Holmfirth on Saturday

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Re: New Hey

Postby timlewis » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:48 pm

Andy C wrote:More progress after the Demo at Holmfirth on Saturday

Very nice, but you actually managed to do some proper modelling while demonstrating? :shock:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:37 pm

timlewis wrote:

Andy C wrote:More progress after the Demo at Holmfirth on Saturday

Very nice, but you actually managed to do some proper modelling while demonstrating? :shock:

Probably about 2 hours in total out of the 7 available but thats demo-ing for you, because then you get some old catankerous tea swilling exhibition manager berating you….

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Re: New Hey

Postby Pigs » Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:48 pm

Coachmann wrote:Thanks for the tip on siding ash-ballast.

I missed that one – can’t find it. Was it a PM?
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Postby Andy C » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:01 pm

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Coachmann wrote:Thanks for the tip on siding ash-ballast.

I missed that one – can’t find it. Was it a PM?
Can we all be told?

It was on Coach’s Greenfield thread Pigs

I used very fine silver sand which was put in an box and sprayed with matt black car primer, constantly stirring it (not hard for me) to get a good mix – you spray it till you get the colour you want – I ended up with a not quite black / dark brown which looked right (refer back to the photos). Its then scattered over the track, brushed between the sleepers and i then let in a thin PVA water mix (with the obligatory washing up liquid to break the meniscus)in at the sides – i dont actualy put it on the ash ballast, but let it draw in by capilliary action.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Pigs » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:36 pm

Andy C wrote:It was on Coach’s Greenfield thread Pigs
I used very fine silver sand which was put in an box and sprayed with matt black car primer, constantly stirring it (not hard for me) to get a good mix – you spray it till you get the colour you want – I ended up with a not quite black / dark brown which looked right (refer back to the photos). Its then scattered over the track, brushed between the sleepers and i then let in a thin PVA water mix (with the obligatory washing up liquid to break the meniscus)in at the sides – i dont actualy put it on the ash ballast, but let it draw in by capilliary action.

Thanks – I missed it on there, too :roll: !
Ah, now that solves the two problems I have had in the past: getting it coloured (tried black ink) and getting it stuck down (never thought to put it in from the sides).

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:46 pm

Hi pigs,
Hope I’m not hijacking this thread with the information that I bought 2 kilos of bird sand from the pet shop for ??1.30 to make fine ash ballast for the goods yards. Haven??™t gotten around to colouring it yet though. Someone also recommended C&L fine ash ballast.coachmann

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Re: New Hey

Postby mozzer models » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:48 pm

Andy C wrote:

timlewis wrote:

Andy C wrote:More progress after the Demo at Holmfirth on Saturday

Very nice, but you actually managed to do some proper modelling while demonstrating? :shock:

Probably about 2 hours in total out of the 7 available but thats demo-ing for you, because then you get some old catankerous tea swilling exhibition manager berating you….

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makes a change being on the other side of the demo bench from Arnold – he didnt give me half the stick i give him :lol: :lol: :lol:

plus the time you wasted taking the p### out of john :thup makes a change from him taking it out of me

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:27 am

Re: Can I justify one of these ……
by Coachmann on Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:22 pmI like to run prototypical trains if I can and those Maunsell coaches are superb.
A full rake of Maunsell’s turned up in the sidings at Royton Junction in Lancashire June 1958, probably in readiness for Oldham Wakes, so I’m sure you could find an excuse for some. Anyway, seeing as the GWR had the largest loading gauge, there should be no ban on Maunsell stock on your line.

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A cut and paste from out of another thread and a warning to Coachman – if you come out with more revelations like that which could be injurious to my wallet then i’ll be making a trip down into N Wales with a loaded shotgun :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:55 am

The picture of Maunsell coaches in the Higginshaw group of sidings at Royton Junction was taken by the Oldham Evening Chronicle and appears in ‘An Illustrated History of Oldham’s Railways’ (Irwell Prress). I spotted the 11 S.Region coaches in the sidings although author John Hooper only mentioned the 10 ex-LMS coaches in a foregound siding. I suspect Lees 26E supplied the locos as far as Manchester Victoria. Also in the picture is the Holyrood mill owned by a friend of the family. It was really spooky inside especially on the top floor.coach

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Postby Andy C » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:51 pm

Coachmann wrote:The picture of Maunsell coaches in the Higginshaw group of sidings at Royton Junction was taken by the Oldham Evening Chronicle and appears in ‘An Illustrated History of Oldham’s Railways’ (Irwell Prress). I spotted the 11 S.Region coaches in the sidings although author John Hooper only mentioned the 10 ex-LMS coaches in a foregound siding. I suspect Lees 26E supplied the locos as far as Manchester Victoria. Also in the picture is the Holyrood mill owned by a friend of the family. It was really spooky inside especially on the top floor.coach

Ive just had a look – funny until you mentioned it i only noticed the LMS rake – i will avoid all temtation, the layout can only stand two specials, the rochdale bound double headed with 46661 Vernon and A n Other and the Oldham bound with 70014 iron Duke!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:56 pm

More footbridge from today – all that remains to do is put the treads on the stairs, fettle and clean it up and paint and install!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:00 pm

And very nice it looks. :clap
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:06 am

You must have the patience of a saint building neat things like that bridge. Most of us would settle for Hornby Skaledale! Thank goodness mine’s a subway…. :lol:coach

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:18 pm

The footbridge has now been fettled and the first coat of paint on – Ive just placed it for the time being but the footboards and treads need painting in a “woody” colour and a little weathering done on it, particularly underneath. Interestingly there were no smoke troughs on this bridge so thats one job Ive not got to do!! Nearly there now :D

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This will be in place by the end of the week and the station fencing either side fixed in. Then the layout to me will start to come alive.

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:36 am

That is really an excellent piece of work Andy-and it’s breathing atmosphere into the station complex!BTW when is the first outing? Rochdale next year?

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Postby Andy C » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:47 am

MartinWales wrote:That is really an excellent piece of work Andy-and it’s breathing atmosphere into the station complex!BTW when is the first outing? Rochdale next year?

Rochdale 1st / 2nd Feb but before that i’m having another running sesion on 20/12 at the scout hut pm me for details!!

Then Manchester in Oct 09 by which time I should be embarking on the next layout!!

the footbridge is now completed and weathered – its just too bl**dy cold to go and photo it in the garage right now :(

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Re: New Hey

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Very nice Andy – looking forward to seeing this at Rochdale :)
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:41 am

Then Manchester in Oct 09 by which time I should be embarking on the next layout!!

Go on, give us a clue……… :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:14 pm

Coachmann wrote:

Then Manchester in Oct 09 by which time I should be embarking on the next layout!!

Go on, give us a clue……… :D

Oh go on then. Heres the draft plan for “Sparthbottom PCD” its VERY looseley based on oldham Clegg Street and assumes that the LNWR extended from the OAGB line from Oldham Clegg street, round Oldham Edge, through Royton and on into Rochdale, Bury, Bolton etc to tap the east lancs traffic away from the L and Y. In the early 60s the Sparthbottom area of Rochdale which already had the LNW Rochdale station had its goods yard reinvented as a PCD with a new big wriggly tin shed to cater for the growing mail order trade being carried out in the local converted closed down cotton mills.

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It set in the early to mid 70s NO KETTLES (theres a first for me) and is in P4.

Any comments / suggestions on the track plan i’d be more than willing to hear.

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Note that the hand of god has now appeared above New Hey

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Postby beast66606 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:48 pm

I like the LYR lower quadrant signal too :tongue
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:38 pm

VERY looseley based on oldham Clegg Street

Dam….I wrote Clegg Street in jest then edited it thinking it was really really stupid……. :?

I imagine a surveyor would have his work cut out finding a route from the OA&GB around Oldham Edge to Royton and Rochdale. Clegg Street is on the wrong side of the L&Y and so it would have to cross it on the level at some point. It would then have to tunnel under Oldham for about 2?? miles and re-surface somewhere near Boundary Park then re-tunnel beyond Royton for about 3 miles under Thornham Summit to reach Rochdale.

It might have been easier to ask Oldham Corporation to hang a railway wagon on the back of one of its trams to Rochdale, or go into partnership with the L&Y over the mainline from Man Vic via Middleton Junction to Rochdale in return for allowing the L&Y access to the Standege route… :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:46 pm

Coachmann wrote:

VERY looseley based on oldham Clegg Street

Dam….I wrote Clegg Street in jest then edited it thinking it was really really stupid……. :?

I imagine a surveyor would have his work cut out finding a route from the OA&GB around Oldham Edge to Royton and Rochdale. Clegg Street is on the wrong side of the L&Y and so it would have to cross it on the level at some point. It would then have to tunnel under Oldham for about 2?? miles and re-surface somewhere near Boundary Park then re-tunnel beyond Royton for about 3 miles under Thornham Summit to reach Rochdale.

It might have been easier to ask Oldham Corporation to hang a railway wagon on the back of one of its trams to Rochdale, or go into partnership with the L&Y over the mainline from Man Vic via Middleton Junction to Rochdale in return for allowing the L&Y access to the Standege route… :lol:

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Anyway back to the project in hand, decided to ballast the two boards which return to the fiddle yard today and with a view to starting the scenics on them at weekend (easy really its all grass!!)

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Re: New Hey

Postby micklner » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:57 pm

Top work :clap :clap :clap :clapMick

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:57 pm

Two shots of the Oldham end return board in its “terraformed state”. I was a bit concerned that my usual polystyrene sheets would be a bit too much for this board which is fairly flatish / gentle slopes compared to the deep cutting at the Rochdale end. I had a shedload of old foamboard courtesy of our marketing people at work, which was going into the skip (if you look closely you can see a Jobcentre Plus logo in one corner!). its done the job a treat forming gentle slopes and what are in reality at that point fairly flatish fields. Plasterers scrim has been glued down over this ready to recieve the “earth” which you just may be able to see in the pics.A liberty has been taken at this point as the curve is sharper than it is in reality, by bringing the cutting in to mask off the fiddleboard – in real life this probably another half mile up the line at Jubilee, but it serves the purpose. The flatish piece with the writing on at the rear left (an old menu board from a beefeater!!) is Shaw road coming in to run parallel to the railway, again as it does in real life. It will also serve as somewhere to lose a few more road vehicles, including Vauxhall Viva (HA) CYL 544C (my grandads car, later inherited by myself as my own first car)

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:35 am

having had to spend some time working in Newcastle progress was halted for a few days- its a pain having to pay the mortgage :lol: the plaster came out tonight = with added PVA and colour ( brown liquid poster paint) and we have a bit of land!Needs tidying up with another skim layer of the same plaster mix but otherwise ready for some paint to seal on top and the first application of woodland scenics turf.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:32 am

Andy, I wondered how quickly did you ballast that curve? Ballasting is unfamiliar territory and I was hoping you would be showing what instruments you use for wetting the ballast and for dropping the dluted PVA. The embankments are looking good.coachmann

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:23 pm

The ballast is laid dry first and leveled out using a stiff paintbrush – I try to ensure its well tamped down. I then do it as i do the ash ballast – a 50/50 mix of water and PVA with the ubiquitous washing up liquid in, which is then brushed alongside the ballast in the cess. capiliary action then draws the mix into the actual ballast. you may have to dribble some on and reamining dry bits but gebnerally speaking, nature does the job for you.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:28 pm

Super….Thanks for that Andy. :thupcoach

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Re: New Hey – Slartibartfast makes a b*lls up!

Postby Andy C » Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:59 pm

Slartibartfast makes a b*lls up – A cautionary tale to those building the earth!! (apologies to Douglas Adams)As some may know, being born within a mile of the yorkshire border and having a Scottish ancestry grandad has always made me look at doing things in the most economical way possibe.

Oh OK then on the cheap. I spent a very pleasant day at the Hull show yesterday, followed by a trip to see Retford running at Roy Jackson’s. Neat. i hadnt even looked at the board in the back bedroom sice I put the plaster down on Friday night. One can imagine my displeasure this morning then when i went in to the back bedroom to find that the plaster had not set properly and was – well a crumbly mess. Now I’m pretty well versed in Anglo-Saxon but for a Sunday morning I surpassed myself in the use of this ancient language. :oops:

My mistake – using the bag of plaster I used on the main boards 6 or more months ago (give me some credit, it was in an airtight (supposedly) box). It had obviously gone off :cry:

Ive scraped it all off, vacumed layout, gone to BnQ, got a new bag and redone it this afternoon. As the gentleman from the orient said, “Borrocks”. Cue Eric Idle and the “Bright Side of Life”. :thup

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:24 pm

I thought it was an Oldham tradition on Sundays getting plastered….. :thupcoach

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:50 pm

A trip to Roy Jackson’s eh? :roll: You really know how to live! :mrgreen: :wink:
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Re: New Hey

Postby sparky » Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:41 pm

Coachmann wrote:I thought it was an Oldham tradition on Sundays getting plastered….. :thupcoach

Ohh !!!!! I like that coach……brilliant. :clap There i was thinking he would be marching with a brassband and he’s living it up playing with Roy Jacksons trainset !!!!!

On a more serious note Andy what did you think of the Teddy Bear fabric,just thought you might have considered using it on New Hey seeing as you have such a large area to cover.My other half has a huge Teddy collection and i’ve been eyeing her Steif bears up as donors :twisted:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:14 pm

I’m not wholly convinced over the teddy bear fur, to my eyes it looks a little too dense for long grass. Its very effective in one way but maybe a bit regular, I look at photos of grass on embankments and it has an irregular appearance to it, in places thin, in others thick and irregular lengths – I find this easier to recreate with the carpet underfelt.I am “between bands” at the moment and ive got to admit whilst playing remembrance day parades is a bit special, i dont miss lugging a tuba around a long march playing Slaidurn, Death or Glory and all the rest of the usual suspects on a march!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:38 pm

the second return board (Rochdale end) had work started on it this week ready for a coating of plaster tomorrow.For those taking an interest in the ballasting heres the work in progress – you should be able to see in the pics how Ive let the PVA mix in from the sides – in a couple of places Ive had to drop it in via the paintbrush in the centre where its not carried for some reason. Now I have to wait for it to dry before I can tidy it up!!

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The next two show the scenery formation – a mix of Polystyrene for the big stuff and foamboard for the more low lying flatter bits. More evident in these is the plasterers scrim attached loosely on top – this gets a good coat of finishing plaster mixed with PVA and brown poster paint so if it chips it doesnt show too bad. I prefer the scrim and plaster method to plaster bandage, its less messy and easier to control for me.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:09 pm

Well done, the ballasting is looking good and so speedily done too. Shame you dont live around here as I could do with a friend that works as fast as you on scenery! :lol:coachmann

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Re: New Hey

Postby nevardmedia » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:52 pm

Progress is looking good Andy!
All I can say is ‘Silfor!’ Though of course with such a large area it could prove a little pricy, but maybe no more than a new engine though :lol:
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:04 am

Coachmann wrote:Well done, the ballasting is looking good and so speedily done too. Shame you dont live around here as I could do with a friend that works as fast as you on scenery! :lol:coachmann

If I were near Larry, I’d be quite happy to collaborate on another “local” project and more than pleased to be able to work with you on it. There are some who’d say I come cheap, just a few beers, but then again the term “few” in relation to beer and me is a very open ended commitment……. Modelling ended early yesterday for that very reason, I went to the CAMRA Bury beer festival, I didnt realise it was on until we booked tickets to see 3 Daft Monkeys in the same arts centre as the beer festival. Result :thup Feel a bit rough this moring though, I blame it on the kebab (yes I had a bit to drink!!)

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Doesnt really do the rather lovely Athlene justice but this photo was taken at something like 2am in a beer tent (the infamous Bimble Inn) at Glastonbury and I was the “worse for wear” at the time :wink: Makes a change from pictures of New Hey anyway.

nevardmedia wrote:Progress is looking good Andy!
All I can say is ‘Silfor!’ Though of course with such a large area it could prove a little pricy, but maybe no more than a new engine though :lol:

I had seriously considered Silfor Chris, but as you can see the long grass areas on embankments and the rough area (it was never actually used for anything, just spare land at the back of the Coral Mill and end of the Cotton warehouse) are plentiful :lol: The embankments in the deep cutting between Huddersfield Road and Milnrow Road which I’m doing at the moment would probably cost that loco alone :shock: As I also have a lifetimes supply of carpet underfelt and heavily influenced by Yorkshiremen………… However the next layout “Sparthbottom PCD” referred to above is a very different kettle of fish :thup

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:14 pm

That didnt last long – ran out of plaster!! Despite the light infil his is going to be one heavy board when its finished :(

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at least it gives folks an idea of whats going on. Im probably going to have to do something about the top of the cutting, its a bit flatter than I anticipated, it should shelve gently back at this point.

Still the lack of werewithall for major landmass formation means another little job can commence – the lamp hut!! the basics were cut out of 30 thou plasticard right before I decided to have a RM Web break. Unfortunately I only have 2 photos I have that show any reasonable amount of detail to get some sizes/ plans from. was going to post these but then realised they are from a source I have not yet got permission from!

A relatively straighforward job, I hope to have it completed later today, ready for painting.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:21 pm

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A man of my word, lamp hut not only built, slated and door scribed but the base stone colour is on and the door painted :D Probably get the next stone colour on later and the slates painted.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:19 pm

Nearly finished the hut tonight so it was temporarily put in place to see how it all fits together – it certainly will look like the photo once the fencings in!!

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I also started work on the coal yard – the coal “cells” are what i vaguely remember, no actual photos exist. a coal bagging hopper was definately in the corner near to the footbridge so thats the next build :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:44 pm

Today Ive mostly been prepping lineside fencing for painting – unfortunately theres a lot of it. The Ratio wooden fencing is absolutely spot on for the fencing at New Hey, except for one aspect of it – the planks are moulded as half round so the back side looks – well odd. It was either use the ratio product or build my own – something in excess of 18 feet of it so i decided to stick with the ratio and scrape the half round off – heres a demo!

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bit blurrred but hard to take a shot while you are scraping!!

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Hopefully you can see the difference in this shot – trust me it looks a hell of a lot better and like the protoype. It also nice for once having a proprietary product which is right for the layout rather than having to scratchbuild everything. However its bl**dy monotonous scraping that off – i used the big stanley knife as its easier to grip than a scalpel, and also the scraping acion with what was a fairly blunt blade produced a woodgrain effect on the plastic!

Also I finished off the plastering on the last return board.

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:36 pm

Cor Andy!! Your quest for authenticity knows no bounds (or should that be boundaries :shock: :oops: )
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:09 pm

Theres been a lot of work being done on the bench at the moment and not a lot actually added – I can see a mass planting of fences telegraph poles, lights etc within the next two weeks which will transform the layout I suspect :DFirst a word of support for http://www.stationsigns.co.uk

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This is the combined pack of signs and noticeboards, all for the princely sum of ??2.50, and despite Royal Mail I still had them within 3 days of posting my order!! I’m very impressed with both the quality and the service.

Heres the two sheets with what the totems will be eventually attached to in the paint shop – also notice in the top left the split sleeper fencing which theres a lot of, and im building sleeper by sleeper – and you think ballasting is boring. The sleepers are coloured using wood dyes applied with a cotton bud – when they are in they will get a little weathering powder treatment as well.

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And last but not least Iv’e decided that the fascia of the layout will be painted maroon – I wonder why!!. However first it needs undercoating and i just happened to have some red undercoat in the garage. Except it turns out pink so just in case it has to go out to Rochdale in this state, thats the reason why :oops:

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The astute observer of this blog will enjoy trying to identify the various bits of layout building detritus in the background – and no the 142 is not for New Hey (it was singled by the time they ran on the line and the goods yard gone) – it cant run on the layout as ITS IN P4 :D 8) :wink: A sign of things to come :clap

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:59 pm

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Re: New Hey

Postby Engineer_London » Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:53 pm

My thanks, also, for the Station Signs link, Andy.Solves another problem for Uxbridge Vine Street, and having the signs ready and waiting will keep me motivated in the years ahead as I work on the layout.

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Re: New Hey – hoist by my own Petard!!

Postby Andy C » Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:16 pm

Just over a month ago I started a thread on lighting of exhibition layouts bemoaning that i had just come back from Blackburn show and that in a dark hall like that too many layouts were not lit, or poorly lit.As Rochdale show (7/8 Feb) gets nearer it suddenly dawned on me that I had’nt constructed the “missing link” – a centre lighting pelmet to join the two I already have from “Spotland Bridge” and ensure the full frontage of the layout is lit. Could well be a case of being hoist by my own petard here :winker

The one built today matches the other two – four mil ply fascia, softwood framing to the top and side, with some 20mm stripwood at the bottom edge as a strengthener.

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The second shot shows the mounting plinth for the strip light – these are daylight tubes, the original two obtained from a tropical fish tank gratis, courtesy of someone throwing them out. Unfortunately unless there is some kind benefactor out there with one to spare :wink:, the pocket is going to have to take a hit – still its a one off, as already proved i can use them on other layouts :mrgreen:

In between waiting for PVA to dry and having said substance out, I set to on the Oldham end return board with the carpet underfelt for the embankment long grass. Thats one onerous job finished, the Rochdale board is later but will have to wait a bit as i had to do some remedial work on the ballast so it cant be moved until thats dried.

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By way of some different stock – this is the aforementioned P4 Pacer, note it doesn’t like sitting on EM track :lol: It will be giving its passenegrs a very protoypicaly rough ride.

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An old bit of stock i found in a box and just gave the EM treatment – it needs Sprats on now.

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The 142 looks well out of place here – the traffic jam on Shaw Road is distinctly 1960s and by rights when 142’s started running on the line it had been singled. The white strip is the start of a pavement – cut out from 30 thou plasticard with microstrip kerbstones, now painted, and it needs fixing in. The remaining bare white plasticard painted grey (GW goods grey, its got to be good for something) and PFA shaken on for the tarmac pavements which were at this point on Shaw Road. The road surface gets the same treatment.

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Re: New Hey

Postby mikemeg » Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:42 pm

Andy,Forgive the intrusion but, earlier in this thread, you discuss the problem of representing grass and specifically using teddy bear fur. I’ve used this quite successfully, to represent grass, but there are some tricks.

Trim the fur to remove the uniformity of length – long grass, short grass, no grass.

Painted teddy bear fur looks just that – painted teddy bear fur. So, try painting it with the base coat – I used very diluted LNER Doncaster green with white spirit (1 part paint to four parts white spirit) and di it twice. When this is dry try using a very pale beige and dry brush it very lightly over the grass. try to just catch the ends of the fur. thsi simulates the lighter ends of the grass stalks.

Now, take a mister or spray and dilute some PVA until it’s nearly clear (1 : 10) and then spray the grass. It will clump. When it’s almost dry, comb out some of the clumps (just an ordinary comb will do). Now you have that irregular appearance of long grass. then plant the area with flocks and scatters.

Have a look at Hessle Haven (it’s on this thread) this shows the result.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:51 pm

Re the station signs, did you have to provide artwork or does the firm simply print the required name on a blank totem?coach

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:04 pm

Coachmann wrote:Re the station signs, did you have to provide artwork or does the firm simply print the required name on a blank totem?coach

They just print the name on a blank totem Coach – you do need t spell it right for them :D :D :D I can imagine the language if someone got it wrong :lol:

No problem with your posting Mike – thats what its all about, for people to exchange ideas and try things out – Its a bit too late for New Hey to sprout the skin of Steiff :lol: but if i pick up some bits i will give it a try. I give the carpet underfelt a coat of doncaster green delivered via the airbrush but i may try drybrushing the beige on top, The carpet underfelt as it stands looks just a little too washed out for June, more a winter grass.

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Re: New Hey

Postby nevardmedia » Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:59 pm

Good looking progress Andy!In the latest Model Railroader there’s a bit on using teddy bear fur. The chap glues it face down like the surgical lint brigade do. The difference being that as you pull the backing off, run a razor blade along to cut it free in quite a random fashion to emulate the real thing. Then, a cat fur grooming brush (one of those dense ones with fine sharp wire) is then used to thin the remaining fur down to a more realistic level. Anyway, sorry to hijack your thread :oops:

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Re: New Hey

Postby russellwar » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:47 pm

AndyAm interested to here your thoughts on the Gras Master.

I am looking at doing my embankments and my local model shop has one to hire for about 6 pounds for a week. Thought that is a good deal but wondered what benefits does it give???

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:10 pm

russellwar wrote:AndyAm interested to here your thoughts on the Gras Master.

I am looking at doing my embankments and my local model shop has one to hire for about 6 pounds for a week. Thought that is a good deal but wondered what benefits does it give???

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hi Russell

Overall I think its a worthwhile club investment which we made – it certainly produces more realistic grass on the layout particularly when you mix shades and makes – this avoids the flock wallpaper look, after all it a model of a landscape not the interior of my local Indian restaurant (please note stereotyping strapline below :lol: :lol: :lol: ) To me its about judicial application of it but in reality i cant praise the idea loudly enough, it certainly brings a new dimension. I should also state I have one of the puf bottles but dont quite seem to get the same effect with it. ??6 for a week sounds a good deal – certainly with a small layout you should be able to grow all your grass in that time and to recoup it as an individual purchase you would have to build 15 plus layouts in your lifetime – hence my allusion to it being a good club purchase.

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Re: New Hey

Postby russellwar » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:04 am

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russellwar wrote:AndyAm interested to here your thoughts on the Gras Master.

I am looking at doing my embankments and my local model shop has one to hire for about 6 pounds for a week. Thought that is a good deal but wondered what benefits does it give???

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hi Russell

Overall I think its a worthwhile club investment which we made – it certainly produces more realistic grass on the layout particularly when you mix shades and makes – this avoids the flock wallpaper look, after all it a model of a landscape not the interior of my local Indian restaurant (please note stereotyping strapline below :lol: :lol: :lol: ) To me its about judicial application of it but in reality i cant praise the idea loudly enough, it certainly brings a new dimension. I should also state I have one of the puf bottles but dont quite seem to get the same effect with it. ??6 for a week sounds a good deal – certainly with a small layout you should be able to grow all your grass in that time and to recoup it as an individual purchase you would have to build 15 plus layouts in your lifetime – hence my allusion to it being a good club purchase.

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I have reserved it for 1st week of Jan so it will be interesting to see how it goes.

She says they rent the thing out every week, so I am surprised someone has not thought of that in England!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:12 pm

Hope it goes well!!Ive got a running session with the layout in the local scout hut this coming Saturday so will post a few more photos of the running – we will be trying to see how the working timetable goes in preparation for The Rochdale show in February. If anyone local or anywhere for that matter wants to pop in for a look / play on saturday pm me!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:27 pm

Bummer-i’m working this Saturday, so won’t be able to come and have a play :(Is this the final shakedown before the debut then Andy??

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:56 pm

MartinWales wrote:Bummer-i’m working this Saturday, so won’t be able to come and have a play :(Is this the final shakedown before the debut then Andy??

Sort of – the layout will be mainly complete by Feb (just the final minute detail to finish off) but I want to make sure we have the running buttoned down by then, including working to a timetable. Its a mix of DMU moves, the excursion trains, through freights, parcels for Oldham PCD and “Target 36” the Moston – Royton Jct twice daily pick up goods, calling both on the out and back runs. To make exhibition operation interesting i think some tinkering with the actual workig timetable is called for – at least the excursions have an excuse for running twice each day (out and back). Still need at least another DMU yet, roll on Bachman’s 105.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:22 pm

Some pics from todays running session

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:10 am

Some more showing a few bits where detailing has started – unfortunately the pics were a bit over exposed so some correction has been neccesary and in places the colour is naff – Im hoping for ssome more better ones later today!

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The distinctive sleeper fencing on Huddersfield road – yes all individually made!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:12 am

Well done…..The high sleeper-built fence beside the road is so characteristic of the area around Oldham. Just one thought, I am sure it was spelt as one work on Oldham bus blinds (Newhey) with the lazy pronunciation “Neweigh”….coach

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:32 am

Coachmann wrote:Well done…..The high sleeper-built fence beside the road is so characteristic of the area around Oldham. Just one thought, I am sure it was spelt as one work on Oldham bus blinds (Newhey) with the lazy pronunciation “Neweigh”….coach

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AFAICR you are right about the bus blinds Coach (the number 2. New Hey to Manchester Stevenson Square, hence the North Western bus albeit on the wrong stretch of road!!) , but Id have to see a photo to be sure – I have always seen and thought of it as Newhey but BR thought otherwise!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:49 am

Parkbridge and Park Bridge was another locality with two spellings, while Wales is riddled with place name cock-ups…. :lol:
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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:10 am

Superb work Andy! Just gets better every time I see it! :mrgreen:
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Re: New Hey

Postby 62613 » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:12 am

Coachmann wrote:Parkbridge and Park Bridge was another locality with two spellings, while Wales is riddled with place name cock-ups…. :lol:

Also, I suppose, Upper Mill. Well, it said that on the ‘box, anyway.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:41 pm

Nothing like a deadline to concentrate the mind and after a week spent carousing at home then another week looking at a different railway….

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Those new EMUs are very comfortable too – On New Years Eve I went down to St Goar from Rhens and back on one. Of course a substantial amount of beer was consumed on this trip, it was a brass band trip after all!!

So back to 1960’s BR. the long grass on the embankments was a far too washed out for June, looking around they would have been correct for December so taday i mostly been adding some colour – a mix of humbrol Grass green and a bit of Darlington green put in here and there for tonal variations. There is now a marked difference between the shot with the black 5 on going under Huddersfield Road and the “new look” and Im happier with it – note the appearance of concrete post fencing as well this again is ratio product suitably painted, Ive just stripped some multicore wire and dunked it in Caseys Gun Blue for the actual fence wires to be added in the next week or so.

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Re: New Hey

Postby johnd » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:02 pm

The No 2 was indeed Manchester Stevenson Square to New Hey for as long as i remeber it, used to catch it in the 60’s from manchester. It was operated by North Western Road Car Company it ran every 20 mins from manchester at 10,30 & 50 mins past the hour. Not sure if some of the times were operated by Manchester City Transport. Boyle Street Museum, Cheetham Hill could confirm this and the type of bus used. Seem toremeber it was afrontengined bus with entranceat the fron with doors, upstairs had the isle down one side with bench seats taking 4 people.John

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Re: New Hey

Postby johnd » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:03 pm

Its also possible some Oldham Corpoartion buses were used as well
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Re: New Hey – through the eye of a needle

Postby Andy C » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:02 pm

If you look in the photo above of the Huddersfield Road bridge you will note the concrete post fencing sans wire. there is a shed load more of this on the up platform now, from the waiting shelter to the fulllength of the platform as far back as the ramp at the Oldham end. As mentioned above, I stripped some multicore and chemical Ali’d, sorry blacked it. (does that comment put me in the Princes Harry / Charles league?)
last night feeling the pressure from Leander to do some work on the layout before Rochdale, I started threading that wire through the holes on the post. Great. 2 hours later with my patience finally running out and the bottle of malt following that trend in quick succession I gave up with about half the job done. It looks quite good actually but theres around 100 posts to do, times 6 holes. Thats a lot of needles to thread and believe me threading needles is easier :(I couldnt be ar8ed photoing it as promised to our glorious exhibition manager but when the job is finished and my eyesight has returned to normal………

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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:33 pm

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I couldnt be ar8ed photoing it as promised to our glorious exhibition manager but when the job is finished and my eyesight has returned to normal………

I can’t wait to see it. :drool

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:16 am

Leander wrote:Andy C wrote

I couldnt be ar8ed photoing it as promised to our glorious exhibition manager but when the job is finished and my eyesight has returned to normal………

I can’t wait to see it. :drool

I cant wait to be able to see again either :lol: :lol:

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Re: New Hey – how to confuse an Aquarium supplies shop

Postby Andy C » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:33 pm

earlier on in the thread i referred to lighting the layout using aquarium lighting. the two units on Spotland Bridge had been aquired via at generous benefactor a work who was throwing them out. I need another one for the new unit built a few weeks ago but this time no donations were received!!This lunchtime i went into an aquarium supplies shop in Heywood to enquire / purchase said units and was imediately interrogated by the guy behind the counter as to the size of my tank etc and what fish I had. I mused for a few second before the reply Two grampus, Four dogfish and a Shark. The look on his face was priceless but he was a big b*gg*r so I quickly had to explain that the lighting units were for a model railway and the “fish” were names of rolling stock etc etc etc before he thought (which would have been quite correct) that i was extracting liquid human waste.

It then took a 15 minute explanation of what I was doing before i was allowed to leave clutching a power unit and daylight tube with the endorsement “would any of your mates want these, direct them right here”

Aquarium Supplies, Vale Street, Heywood – lets just leave it that the guys there now know a little more about model railways but i still know naff all about tropical fish :mrgreen:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Ian Fisher » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:42 pm

I have five comets…Yak, Cahill, Latchford, Dean and Ball…and not an etched bit of brass near em!Most fish people will advise that a light only be left on about four hours a night to negate a build up of algi in the tank, but they can be had in a range of colours and are waterproof! which for our purposes should mean they last an age.

I had thoughts along these lines sat watching the boys doing there thing and how well displayed they are now if only they had better background papers….

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:51 pm

Ian Fisher wrote:I have five comets…Yak, Cahill, Latchford, Dean and Ball…and not an etched bit of brass near em!Most fish people will advise that a light only be left on about four hours a night to negate a build up of algi in the tank, but they can be had in a range of colours and are waterproof! which for our purposes should mean they last an age.

I had thoughts along these lines sat watching the boys doing there thing and how well displayed they are now if only they had better background papers….

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I sincerely hope I dont get a build up of Algae on the track :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby beast66606 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:58 pm

Andy C wrote:

Ian Fisher wrote:I have five comets…Yak, Cahill, Latchford, Dean and Ball…and not an etched bit of brass near em!Most fish people will advise that a light only be left on about four hours a night to negate a build up of algi in the tank, but they can be had in a range of colours and are waterproof! which for our purposes should mean they last an age.

I had thoughts along these lines sat watching the boys doing there thing and how well displayed they are now if only they had better background papers….

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I sincerely hope I dont get a build up of Algae on the track :lol:

Or anywhere else :shock: :)

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Re: New Hey – Eye of the needle pt2

Postby Andy C » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:31 pm

Been at it again tonight and no, the eye of the needle reference has absoulutely nothing to do with a kebab I ate earlier, the post and wire fencing is nearly there. I’ve had to stop work on it whilst a fencepost i’ve knocked out sets back in place and i take the opportunity to have a beer (Badger Golden Champion in deference to SWAG). Anyway as promised heres some photos of it going in place and the reason for my giberring wreck status.

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10:54 update, job finished, just needs tension on the wire once the superglue has set. more beer this time a Batemans Victory :thup

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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:18 am

Looking good Andy :clap
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Re: New Hey – A major milestone

Postby Andy C » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:39 pm

This morning the station buldings had their last signage fixed and both were glued in place – No turning back now and work will commence on the platform detailing this pm (lamposts, benches etc)Two gloomy shots of the station from the back angle. no time to rig up any lighting, too busy modelling :clap

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:46 pm

Superb work as always Andy! Can’t wait to see it at Rochdale!
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Re: New Hey

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:59 pm

All the lamposts and totem signs are noe in place as ae half the telegraph poles and some of the lineside fencing on the front boards. A good afternoons work – the overall photo gives an idea but most of the fencing is on the third board out of sight by the garage doorBt way of a diversion i built the coal hopper tonight out of plasticard – many thanks to Bryn who sent me a photo he was using for his Colwyn Bay Goods yard layout. I used it to get the scale from and some other photos from the internet – its abit of a composite but seems to look the part. It now needs cleaning up and painting.

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Re: New Hey

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Re: New Hey

Postby Thermos » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:40 pm

I’ve been lurking & following the growth and it is a cracking piece of modelling. I am looking forward to see it in the flesh so to speak at Rochdale.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:19 pm

Thanks for the comments gents, its nice to know Im heading in the right direction. Just come out of the paintshop, beleive it or not the coal hopper is now finished – nothing the like the deadline of a looming show to gee up effort :D One thing that worries nme is with all the concentration on the layout Ive not been able to do any weathering work etc on the stock, but hey theres only 24 hours in a day and a mortgage to be paid.

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The hopper was first sprayed in grey car primer and then wgilst the grey was still wet, a light coating of matt black inside the hopper. The hopper was then removed from the garage to the workbench where i worked in weathering powders, grey, rust and black. The inside of the hopper got a coating of the lot!!. Its now on the layout, not glued n yet as ive got to put some scales under the bagging shoot and work coal dust, loose coal etc around a little bit – and paint a coalman (a montys models figure obtained at Warley this year) to make up a little cameo.

Some more shots including the signal box area now with added height in the form of lamps and telegraph poles – a lampman or signalman needs adding around here to create another cameo.

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Back to the modelling now – may be doing the scales and the coalman, if i can find him in my mass of kit on the workbench!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:44 pm

If you can’t find him , give us a shout as I’ve got one on the WB myself which I can put my hand upon!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:25 pm

Since the last photos were taken:Lamposts put on Huddersfield road
Platform seats put in their places as per the photos of the 60s
Platform trolley added behind the footbridge as per same photo
people added to platform and Huddersfield road
Sack trolleys on each platform
Dustbin outside signalbox and station
Pushbike propped up against signal box

and still tomorrow to come :lol: – and **** me I still cant find my coalman :grump :wall

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:19 pm

A brief update tonight – didnt do as much as really intended but work was done. The scenic treatment of the coal yard started with a mix of earth and cinder leading into the coal cells – some polystyrene was sprayed black to make the formers for the coal inside the cells. The running in boards were put up today as well and some of the long grass at the back cut back a bit. The coal yard needs to be finished and a bit more grass put down at the back of the fences and in the fields in the return boards – out with the Grassmaster soon.

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Re: New Hey

Postby mines a pint » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:47 am

Looking nice now! – remember the bare boards at EM North 2007 :?: :thup
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Re: New Hey – let there be light

Postby Andy C » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:53 pm

Whilst all that scenic work has been going on at the back of my mind has been the lighting and backscenes – re the latter the more observant will have noticed the bare wood behind the layout in all the pics so far. Lighting is also a bit of layout building which is not particularly well chronicled, so here goesThe lighting pelmets have already been built, what i didn’t have until this weekend is the means of suspension. the other decision is how far up to have the lighting units? Im a great beleiver in the letter box presentation of layouts, ie a low fascia which forces the observer to look in at rather than down at the layout. However it needs to be high enough up to spread the light fairly evenly.

Finally decided that the bottom of the fascia should be at my eye level ie just under 6′ – As the track level is 48″ above the floor it gives around a 2′ aperture to look in at the layout. Accordingly this weekend the lighting gallows were made out of 44mm square timber risers and a T girder beam made out of 2 lengths of 44 x 22 timber, with 4mm ply strengtheners at the corners (each side) – the lighting units will just slide on and be fixed with case clips to make getting it on and off at shows easier. They have just been primed. Im not going to tempt fate and say they are bombproof but they do take some weight!!

The backscene boards were also primed at the same time. They look a bit stark in white so when they are dry they will be getting a coat of a sky-ish blue matt emulsions which just happened to be lurking in the garage. Eventually I hope Viv (Mrs C) will do a bit of her artistry on them, certainly before the members day if possible, when Steve Flint will be photographing the layout for RM.

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One unfortunate side effect of this rash of white painting is that Jess and Floyd our two border collies decided to help. Both are now slightly more white than black so I need to stop work on the layout and do a bit of dog cleaning before Mrs C gets home from her dads later on!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:40 pm

Ive just spent 3 hours or so with the Noch Grassmaster on the two return boards and have also been using some of the longer Miniatur fibres (6.5mm) round the main boards. We are getting there scenicaly, theres not much left to do now grass wise and much else!! Ive used the opportunity of having the backscene boards off to take some shots from different angles for peoples dilectation – see it all at Rochdale show in just over a weeks time!Clock the bagging scales under the hopper as well – 10 mins in plastruct and plasticard, painted mat black and weathering powders used whilst tacky. Coal has yet to be added to the coal cells, and a bit of loose stuff around the hopper.

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Re: New Hey

Postby reddevil7777 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:08 pm

Looks fantastic, pity the real thing doesn’t look as good as that nowadays, pass it slowly (yeah the usual 8am que to turn right towards Rochdale) at least twice a week. Can’t wait to have a look at it at Rochdale.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:21 pm

The last weekends work prior to Rochdale show started tonight with the backscene boards getting the final coat of plain paint and also the fascia boards being painted as close to BR maroon as i could get. Theres a little more grass to grow in places but ive realised a biggish problem’s arose where the fencing crosses the board joint – Because i cant put the two return boards up in the garage i cant put the fencing across the joints until i get the boards together at the show on the Friday night – Dohh!! ive tried measuring but not going to riskit – if its as much as a mil out it will look odd!
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Re: New Hey

Postby sparky » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:03 am

Looking superb Andy,hope to make the Rochdale show and see the layout again,as Russ pointed out a lot has happened since Expo EM 2007. Also looking forward to seeing the layout in RM,can’t recall you being in those pages since Brushford ? The overgrown goods shed road and buffer stops are very nice touches mind you the rest is outstanding as well :thup So what is the verdict on the Minnatur fibres,they look good from here?Cheers,
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:34 am

i really like the miniatur fibres Geoff – their range of colours seems just right for a whole range of grasses without getting that “in yer face” GREEN that some of the continental manufacturers produce. Im still going to use the carpet underfelt for the really rough stuff, I like the sporadic tuftiness it produes and somehow – especially looking at the photo close in of the hopper, it looks right, whereas you cant achieve that with the grassmaster. mind you I have found that by putting a few light dabs of glue here and there you can get tufts, but I dont think it would work as well as on a large area of embankment which I have.i should have finished with the grassmaster this weekend, it then gets handed over to Tony Bucknell for his layout Eskmuir – Rochdale 2010s new treat :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:38 am

Look’s like next year’s Rochdale show is well worth going to as well!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:12 am

MartinWales wrote:Look’s kie next year’s Rochdale show is well worth going to as well!

Something tells me you will be there anyway!!

Difficult to believe that this time next week i will be a bag of nerves!! – Ive addressed audiences of 200- 300 including MPs and Ministers, run training courses abroad, played in bands at big contests but I cant think of anything more nerve wracking than taking a new layout on show for the first time.

Theres a 1001 unanswered questions (not least will the lighting units fit!!) and Im not happy that half the stock is virtually out of the box at the moment apart from the wheel changes – i really wanted to get the stuff weathered and a bit more loco stock on. Still never mind we can run a service!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:43 pm

Andy C wrote:Something tells me you will be there anyway!!

Quite possibly, but don’t tell everyone, or you’ll have ’em running for cover!! :mrgreen:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:23 pm

MartinWales wrote

Look’s like next year’s Rochdale show is well worth going to as well!

Thirteen layouts booked so far, this year’s Exhibition guide has all the gen in it. My only concern is: will it all fit in the Hall:?:
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Re: New Hey

Postby santene » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:27 pm

I love this layout, especially that scratchbuilt footbridge! :thup :thup :thup

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:50 pm

Thanks SanteneWe were out in the shopping centre in Rochdale today plugging the show to the general populace of the borough with the club Thomas layout and a display board featuring some of the pics of New hey. Around lunchtime a guy, his wife and son were looking at the display boards pointing at the pics and chatting with Tony Bucknell. I was summoned over and the guy introduced himself as the son of New Heys last stationmaster! Upshot is he’s now bringing his dad to the show next week so im sure if ive got something wrong i will be told :( Quite a sobering thought.

Another layout aquisition was made today – its become something of a tradition in this neck of the woods that a new layout gets “christened” with a bottle of single malt behind the layout for the operators. its Glenlivet 15 yr old for New Hey.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:18 pm

In the meantime something Ive never posted before – a wikimapia link to the sat shot of New Hey as it is now – the only things recognisable now besides the bridges are the cotton warehouse roof and the engineering works roof.http://wikimapia.org/#lat=53.6004129&lo … =0&m=a&v=2

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Re: New Hey

Postby WTC No.5 » Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:32 am

Great stuff Andy :clap :clap I just love this picture :thup
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Re: New Hey

Postby WTC No.5 » Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:39 am

Blast, couldn’t get the picture to upload :mutter. Any road, it’s the one across the buffer stops of the Huddersfield Road and foot bridges on p13 :thup .
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Re: New Hey

Postby wagonman » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:25 pm

Andy C wrote:Another layout aquisition was made today – its become something of a tradition in this neck of the woods that a new layout gets “christened” with a bottle of single malt behind the layout for the operators. its Glenlivet 15 yr old for New Hey.

Quality hooch for a quality layout. Yup, seems appropriate!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:27 pm

Just had to retreat from the garage as a brass monkey was urgently looking for a brazing torch :lol:been trying desperately to finish a few things – The Grassmaster has just been used probably for the last time on the layout on the grassy area between the yard and what was the Coral Mill back wall, the coal cells filled with coal, the backscenes refitted, remaining telegraph poles fitted and two odd pieces of fencing put in. Did take some photos but they were too dark (the lighting units which were in use up till Friday had to be taken down for the paint job)

And there lies a disaster – yesterday PM i decided to put a second coat on – as it was a, cold, b. getting dark I decided to do it in the garage – with its poor lighting. Bit dismayed this morning to find numerous runs on the fascias and it looks a mess. The sanding block will have to come out once the runs have hardened off and start again – :wall :wall :wall arghhhhhhh. I only did it in the garage so that the house wont stink of new paint all week – I’d hate Mr Wales to think I was decorating just because he’s coming to stay next weekend :lol: :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:22 pm

A few last minute jobs being done now – but tested the lighting units today and it all works!!Just about to go and plant two coalmen and a shunter with pole so the population of new Hey is growing – slowly as befitting a village :lol:

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Re: New Hey – the Debut

Postby Andy C » Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:39 am

last night saw New hey up in its exhibition guise for the first time at Rohdale show. there was some woodwork going on as I drilled holes for the lighting units but generally everything went together well apart from a dry joint causing a dead section on one of the entry boards. It s now up and running, a few little jobs to do such as continuing the fence runs across the basebaord joints, but essentialy apart from the outlying signals on the return boards, all that remains to fo is thr point rodding snd the ground signals.

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:55 am

Just about to set off for sunny Rochdale, looking forward to the experience! :mrgreen:
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Re: New Hey

Postby 10800 » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:06 am

Excellent to see it all up like that Andy, you should be very proud :) I look forward to seeing it some time.
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Re: New Hey – the first show

Postby Andy C » Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:34 am

Day 1 over and what a grueller – arrived at the hall to find the track on the fiddleyard all out of guage and distorted, if ever theres a moment you just want the earth to swallow you up thats it.As mentioned earliy on in the thread, the fiddleyard isnt mine – it was built by ian with the intention of being able to use it behind several different layouts and save duplication of effort. As chronicled after the August running day we have had problems witth the points not throwing and not chaanging polarity (SEEP – absolute garbage) but this was entirely different and difficult to cure. What we think has happened is that the layout lives in Ian’s loft normaly, which whilst insulated and not damp, is probably quite humid. The sports hall is warm (YES WARM) and very dry, Timber dries, (in this case its only 4mm ply) and contracts, and where there is copperclad rail its just pulled it apart and bent it . Hence anyone there early yesterday morning didnt see as intensive service out front as we intended. Still by the afternoon we had stuff running as normal as possible but we were continually firefighting round the back. I dread to think what it will be like this morning.

So tips for those building fiddleyards in the future – use substantial board tops even if you do 4mm sides, if using copperclad put sleepers at normal spacings not every two inches and most of all, never lose heart, theres always a way out of a crisis and good mates will always help.

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Postby 10800 » Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:38 am

Andy C wrote:Day 1 over and what a grueller – arrived at the hall to find the track on the fiddleyard all out of guage and distorted, if ever theres a moment you just want the earth to swallow you up thats it.

I feel for you there Andy – same happened the first time we took Eridge Mk1 out properly (at St. Albans). I’d spent much of the Christmas/New Year period making up fiddle yard cassettes in a very cold clubroom – I’m sure you can guess the rest :roll: :oops: The first morning seemed to take hours while we fought to keep any train on the rails coming off the fiddle yard – fortunately the layout itself was OK. By the end of the day we’d fixed enough of the cassettes to make things passable, and the Sunday was a lot better.

But if you can still raise a smile through all that (even if it’s a bit grimacy!) then you’re winning! Good luck with it today!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:36 pm

jeez its over!
Thanks for the kind comments Rod, when I first saw it on Saturday the bottom dropped out of my world, or was it the world dropped out of my bottom :lol:That was one of those weekends which seems to have gone by in a blur, I didnt get chance to speak to anyone so I apologise to any RM web members who wanted to chat, our work was really cut out at the back trying to keep things moving at the front – that warped track was something tio behold, as one wag put it “OO, EM and P4 all in an inch and a half!!. Still the front of house works quite well, theres a check rail that needs easing and the barow crossing needs a shave taking off at the sides but otherwise its rock and roll. Some stock needs sorting out but nothing drastic. then we come to that fiddle board – Track was bought today, and copperclad and rail. A visit to the local timber merchants is scheduled for later in the week and i will start a new fiddleyard.

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Re: New Hey – the first show

Postby mines a pint » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:20 am

Andy C wrote:Day 1 over and what a grueller – arrived at the hall to find the track on the fiddleyard all out of guage and distorted, if ever theres a moment you just want the earth to swallow you up thats it.

Sorry to hear that, its something I can identyfy with from bringing my layout to members day with wiring problems..

Andy C wrote:……The sports hall is warm (YES WARM) and very dry……

-thats the bit I had trouble with, I remember mentioning to my mate, when we were knee deep in snow on the Gritstone Edges of the Peak district ” at least this is warmer than that model railway exhibition I went to this time last year!! :lol: :lol:

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Re: New Hey – the first show

Postby Mile » Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:34 am

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So tips for those building fiddleyards in the future

Could I suggest that the boards are sealed with primer or varnish before laying the track so as to prevent moisture movement into and out of the timber?

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Re: New Hey

Postby nevardmedia » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:51 am

This is looking super – love this angle and atmosphere! Sorry to hear that the fiddle yards played up :(
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Re: New Hey – the first show

Postby Andy C » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:04 am

Mile wrote:

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Could I suggest that the boards are sealed with primer or varnish before laying the track so as to prevent moisture movement into and out of the timber?

Hi Mile

They were varnished, thats the bit we dont understand!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Pete-Harvey » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:25 am

Here are a couple of pics that I took of New Hey it was nice to see it all together and as a whole.Image

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy Y » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:34 am

When I saw the look on your face Andy I really felt for you, it was a baptism of fire but I have to say I was extremely impressed with the world out front. When it’s more appropriate I’d like to spend a lot of time idling away at the front. I particularly like the colouring of the stonework and the flow of the lines.
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Re: New Hey – the first show

Postby nevardmedia » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:40 am

Andy C wrote:

Mile wrote:

Andy C wrote:
So tips for those building fiddleyards in the future

Could I suggest that the boards are sealed with primer or varnish before laying the track so as to prevent moisture movement into and out of the timber?

Hi Mile

They were varnished, thats the bit we dont understand!!

If they’re anything like wooden yachts then paint and varnish will do little (the old man has owned boats and yachts since the 1950’s). A wooden boat (one that lives in the water all the time),if it’s been out of the water for a few weeks, will leak for a while when it goes back into the water. Once the wood swells up again the leaking stops or reduces despite being painted. OK, a slightly dramatic comparision but the same rules I guess.

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Re: New Hey

Postby craigwelsh » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:10 pm

Argh someone caught me operating! Actually I think I was just admiring the scenic work and the flowing curves at that point, when actually operating I think my gaze was firmly turned the other way to look at this:

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Hope Andy doesn’t mind me posting these but they do illustrate he wasn’t joking about major expansion, and I confirmed P4 wagons did run on one length (I did tell Andy he can’t try out P4 on the same layout…)! Most trains could get through though and the punters still got a smooth running service out front which was the main thing (not sure how I walked in as a punter and ended up operating but anyway…:P).

With a new fiddle yard it should be a great layout to see operating a full timetable, the actual selection of trains was nice and varied but some of the expansion did inhibit some getting out of the yard. Seep motors really are crap, I was amazed how many wouldn’t switch polarity with the blades, a real issue with DCC. Another issue with DCC was possibly the failure of one of the wires in the fiddle yard meaning too much power to too thin a wire I think leading to the trains really slowing down?

Its a pity no one tried out shunting the yard due to the problems at the back, its always a plus point to see that sort of operation as well as trains running past, shunting is done nicely on Dewsbury Midland by the club too.

The boards were nice and light to put away though at the end and it didn’t take too long even though we hadn’t seen it before. This is a plus compared to the club layouts although in fairness those have been tested over time so far.

Good luck getting the fiddle yard up to the standard of the front bit Andy, you’ll have no problems then.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:59 pm

No problems posting them Craig – it illustrates the difficulty we were having getting stock on and off the back of the layout – it was a weekend of hard graft to say the least.Design phase has already commenced – B6 pointwork, 6 roads instead of 5 on two 7 x 2 boards. No built in isolation through the points as on Ian’s with constant juice to the roads in orer to shuffle smaller trains such as the DMU sets, though I will make the feeds to each road switchable in case of shorts. Beefed up wiring as on the main boards and not SEEPs – Will probably resort to PECO as we have on Dewsbury, mounted on the surface for easy maintenance but open to suggestons from anyone on this front – the one rider is its got to be a quick and easy solution. Swithing will be by road selection using a matrix, not invidual pairs as it is now – takes too long to get stock off the back that way.

If anyone has any (sensible!!) suggestions particulary round point motors please either post them on here or PM me :thup

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Re: New Hey – the first show

Postby Mile » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:15 pm

Andy C wrote:

Mile wrote:

Andy C wrote:Hi Mile

They were varnished, thats the bit we dont understand!!

In that case I would suggest that the baseboard is not your problem but it’s the rail warming up, with no where to expand to, has buckled.

Suggest shorter rail lengths and more support with sleepers in future.

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Re: New Hey – the first show

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Mile wrote:

Andy C wrote:

Mile wrote:

Andy C wrote:Hi Mile

They were varnished, thats the bit we dont understand!!

In that case I would suggest that the baseboard is not your problem but it’s the rail warming up, with no where to expand to, has buckled.

Suggest shorter rail lengths and more support with sleepers in future.

Hi Andy

We had exactly the same problem with one of our layouts years ago at Merchant Taylors show when we ended up in front of a window on the top floor in the sun. Quick fix at the show was solder in extra copperclad sleepers that were not glued down and hence floated but held the gauge – the trains ‘waived’ their way in to the yard which amused the operators no end. After the show we ripped it all up and replaced with flexi track.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:24 pm

Back from two and a half days of my Uni course, instead of swotting up on leadership and management of fraud operations spent some of my evenings in the Thistle Hotel Middlesbrough (and not the time in the boozer – I do have a student reputation to keep up with) designing my fiddleyard. Everythings going to be fully sleepered and will try to make it as bombproof as possible. 9mm ply tops and 3 x 1 timbers sides and cross members. Should sort it!!

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Re: New Hey the new fiddleboards

Postby Andy C » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:04 pm

Work commenced on the two new fiddleyard boards today, both built this morning and now about to be primed. Did have some help building them though, and he left his inimitable footprint all over them…….

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The diode matrix has been designed for the quick release of trains – another lesson learned – and point building will commence after the next weekend , unfortunately the area brass band contest rehersals are taking my time this week, still by this time next Sunday I will be off the stage at Blackpool Opera House and in the bar :clap

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Re: New Hey – the other fiddle board

Postby Andy C » Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:01 pm

An underside view of the other board – Ive gone for a fairly eavyweight but bombproof construction, 4 x 1 framing with a 9mm ply top, 3×1 cross members except where the points mechs may go – thats 2 x 1. Yet to decide if maounting them on top or underneath, but all the electrical kit will go under this board, the aim is to get away with as little cross board connections as possible. Ian built 4 x 3 and a half foot long boards on the original, Ive gone for 2 x 7 foot boards, again will make it easy to incorporate expansion joints.

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Whilst posting these photo’s i was sorting out my music pad for a concert we are playing at Boarshurst tonight – i was very dissapointed to see this on the programme. Why cant it be Lancashie and Yorkshire theme tunes!!!!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:44 pm

The old GWR music themes probably havn’t changed much since Churchwards days. :D
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Re: New Hey the new fiddleboards

Postby ullypug » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:49 pm

Andy C wrote:Work commenced on the two new fiddleyard boards today, both built this morning and now about to be primed. Did have some help building them though, and he left his inimitable footprint all over them…….

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The diode matrix has been designed for the quick release of trains – another lesson learned – and point building will commence after the next weekend , unfortunately the area brass band contest rehersals are taking my time this week, still by this time next Sunday I will be off the stage at Blackpool Opera House and in the bar :clap

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:47 pm

Coachmann wrote:The old GWR music themes probably havn’t changed much since Churchwards days. :D

When we played it I would suggest Brunels :lol:

Andrew, you havent had the joy yet of meeting our Floyd, the chance of him staying still enough to put more than an ounces weight anywhere would be welcome – jess however (seen sedately walking round the boards in the middle pic) is another matter altogether.

quite pleased with the work yesterday and an e mail from vulcan indicates that he’s going to take on the task of building the diode matrix, all I have to do now is start work on 20 B7 turnouts :)

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Re: New Hey – Motivation?

Postby Andy C » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:40 pm

After 2 weeks of doing absolutely nothing to the layout apart from talking about it every so often, i managed to get the two new fiddleyard boards out the garage and finish priming the inside. After Rochdale show I was quite phlegmatic about the events and thought I’d put it behind me, but Ive got to say after a thoroughly hard but enjoyable two weeks working up to the Regional band contest and the prospect of another contest in 3 weeks time with a really good band thats on the move up has caused me to wonder why I bother with the layout. Ive not enjoyed the work Ive done today and i was going to go upstairs and start filing some point Vee’s but struggling to find a reason why, apart from the deadline of July this year. Is this modellers block :?

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Next job with these is to varnish the outsides to seal them, trim them off and match up and drill the bolt holes into the adjacent boards – sometime :lol:

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Re: New Hey – Motivation?

Postby timlewis » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:29 pm

Andy C wrote: Ive not enjoyed the work Ive done today and i was going to go upstairs and start filing some point Vee’s but struggling to find a reason why, apart from the deadline of July this year. Is this modellers block :?

The dog looks a bit fed up too :D. Modellers block (or whatever) happens to us all. I’m sure the desire will come back :shock: You have a brilliant layout there: don’t give up on it.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:01 pm

Thought I’d see how you are getting on seeing as modellers block had apparently set in. When I get it, the ‘problem’ passes across my mind like a black cloud, going too fast to identify! This happened with me and the Greenfield layout.With work and the band taking up much of your time at the moment, maybe you will return to the layout fully refreshed. Or maybe you will start planning the next layout? :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby nevardmedia » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:28 am

Modellers’ block seems everywhere at the moment ….. :cry:
I’ve been suffering this recently, but picked up a little last week with a quick RTR custom jobby…… is it the time of year> The longer days attracting us to other things?Andy – you’ll be back when you’re ready, we all have our peaks and troughs, the troughs often being that necessary ‘sleep’ or ‘rest’ to fuel the modelling surges of enthusiasm that will almost certainly happen again soon – but hey, you know that! :thup

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:53 am

Coachmann wrote:. Or maybe you will start planning the next layout? :D

Funnily enough Coach I now have the baseboards for the next (P4 Blue Diesel) layout. Its a lot smaller – 10′ 8″ x 2′ and manageable and will fit along the back wall in the back bedroom. its origins lie in an old Rochdale MRG layout Ive got one half of it for my next project and Vulcan has the other bit for his “Consolidated Toxics” Industrial layout in EM .More later!!

nevardmedia wrote:Modellers’ block seems everywhere at the moment …..
I’ve been suffering this recently, but picked up a little last week with a quick RTR custom jobby…… is it the time of year> The longer days attracting us to other things?

Cheers Chris, You dont know how heartening it is to know that someone else who’s work I admire is in the same boat – Im thinking of going to a (cr*p) local show in a town near Rochdale today to reinvigorate me, something about looking at poor club layouts that fires me up to do tons better!!, in a way its better than looking at top layouts as often you cant think of any way of improving them and wonder if your modelling can match. I know looking at something thats not very good, the brain kicks into thinking up ways of improving it to a top standard. Either that or the verdict that its irredeemable and should be scrapped :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:50 pm

Well the show therapy worked and I came back determined to do some work – and whats even better, though filing point vees can be numbingly boring, i felt better for doing it :D

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Of course having a jig helps and these beauties are well worth the investment – 20 Vees were filed up in approx a hour and a half, and one soldered before i took a break for a brew and post this!

part of the rnewed enthusiasm has come from an uncluttered workbench – the aquisition of the filing cab in the picture has meant a good tidying up, i can now see whats on my workbench!!

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Also found in the tidy up was the subject of what was one of my proudest moments in modelling. The Rochdale MRG has never been one for trophy’s / cups etc. and our show has never had them – except one that is awarded in very rare circumstances and has been in my possession for some years now. Its the Rishworth Trophy and its awarded to the best modelled station toilets in the show. The trophy, seen below is a glazed brick of Lancs and Yorks origin and was once part of the urinals at Rishworth station, hence the nature of the award. I got this for the bogs on Spotland Bridge – I had even gone as far as inserting a fibre optic strand into the bloke stood at the stones willy in order to represent a good flow…………

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:02 pm

Been a couple of weeks hiatus on developments due mostly to sorting out the move of Rochdale MRG and Tameside band contest , but for watchers of this semi “blog” pointwork is now under construction on the workbench and at the new Rochdale club rooms (we are back in Rochdale at last yey hey!!) :lol:
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:11 pm

Pictures of point building!

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Work in progress

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Filing the blade in the jig

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Completed blade

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Finished job

These two points have taken me just under four hours to build – this includes the two hours on Wednesday night at the Rochdale new club rooms which due the amount of talk, taking the p*** etc probably equates to just over a hours work. I find point building, particularly on copperclad and straight forward plans – these are B6’s – easy enough to do even without jigs. Once i get into the groove (just another 18 to do now) then I should be able to bring that time down, batchbuilding two at a time as matching pairs.

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:12 am

I take it they’ll all be completed prior to your visit to York this weekend Andy! :mrgreen:
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:44 pm

Shock horror, for the first time since Moby Dick was a tadpole I wont be visiting York this year – combination of work and a holiday has got in the way this year. I just cant squeeze it in Luckily theres no trade I need stuff from (got it at Scaleforum last weekend) and Ive either seen the layouts before or will be doing first hand at Manchester!
Thats what im consoling myself with anyway.
Shame i always enjoy York show but nowt I can do this year.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:27 pm

major work today – took advantage of the good weather to clear out and tidy the garage to make some more room for working in, or at least that was the plan!! It gives the viewer an idea of just how muck kit I have to shift to go to an exhibition – and thats without stock and control boxes.

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As you can see the idea of garage clearing fell victim to that old scientific rule “Nature abhors a vacuum”

Now the missing bits which have just been packed back in..

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The two return boards have just been matched up to the new fiddleyard and the first four points glued in place (Evil stick for the curious) and lined up. just got to get on building the other 16 now!! (2 of them nearly completed)

One dampener on the day was that at sometime whilst in the cramped condition of the garage, the post and wire fencing down the side of huddersfield road sustained some damage – I think its repairable without having to renew but its a pain all the same – I think when Ive been manhandling the new fiddle boards in and out it must have caught, either that or someone (or a dog) squeezing past :( You can just see it on the middle board in the top picture.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:52 pm

…..took advantage of the good weather to clear out and tidy the garage

At least the folks thereabout got to see what all the hammering and banging had been in aid of …:lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:13 pm

Nearly forgot as well – by a way of public thanks.We were discussing the draw from the point motors when firing 8 motors at once when Vulcan came up with the idea why not just spring the blades on the exit roads and not motorise them – Kier Hardy (Wibble) has done it. Cue one pm to kier later and the same day the reply – this is going to save me money on point motors!!

OK we cant bring anything back in the way it came but its served kier well for years so why not me :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:24 pm

Ashford in the Water had ‘floating’ blades on the exits to the fiddle yards roads Andy. It worked a treat but you’re extremely on the button in saying that you can’t recall a train once it has been sent out. It’s like you get to ‘the point of no return’!
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Re: New Hey

Postby beast66606 » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:32 pm

We’ve made switchless points (in P4), actually got one to work in a facing direction too but the train would take the desired route only about 90% of the time :shock: which meant 10% it didn’t :lol: simply snip the switch rails back to the longest you can get away with and solder it to gauge.If you are using some sort of panel then the point switches could simply change the frog polarity otherwise some method of switching the polarity would need to be found.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:54 am

The intention with polarity switching is to let the switch on the entry point do the work – a wire will be routed forward from the entry frog to the sprung points through the D connector between the boards. I may make one of the exit points switchable just in case I need to do any strange unscripted moves!!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Gravy Train » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:02 am

You will have to watch you don’t get a crowd around the front lawn assuming a garage sale :lol:
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Re: New Hey

Postby mikewturner » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:13 pm

beast66606 wrote:We’ve made switchless points (in P4), actually got one to work in a facing direction too but the train would take the desired route only about 90% of the time :shock: which meant 10% it didn’t :lol: simply snip the switch rails back to the longest you can get away with and solder it to gauge.If you are using some sort of panel then the point switches could simply change the frog polarity otherwise some method of switching the polarity would need to be found.

Hi Andy

This is an example of the points Beast is talking about. As you mentioned there is no need for the check rails at the crossing end but those at the toe make the points 100% reliable in the trailing direction. This particular one is P4 but I have also built them in OO and EM.

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The ‘blades’ do not move and are soldered in place therefore there is nothing to derail even light vehicles.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:47 pm

Thanks Dave / MikeThet say a picture paints a thousand words and to be sure I now know exactly where you are coming from witth these. Ah well, just come back from a mammoth walk over Rooley Moor with the Cooper hounds, now intend to retire to the workbench to fle a few blades for points 5 and 6 :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Knottyjohn » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:10 pm

Hi Andy,Just been catching up with this as a new member on here. New Hey looks good, look foward to seeing it at Manchester Show in October.

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Re: New Hey

Postby benjy83 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:09 pm

Hey Andy,You responded to my query about the RSCo. signal boxes… I’ve just browsed through your thread and I really like your work! It looks like a lovely layout!

I hope to replicate some similar boxes for my soon-to-be layout! I notice from the thread that you have built the Cotton Warehouse for New Hey. The warehouse seems very similar to the standard LYR goods warehouse design.

I was wondering if you had the real-life dimensions of the warehouse? I have photos of Swinton Goods Shed (my prototype), which had 3 penthouses, and although I have an estimate of the size of the floor plan, I am yet to find any plans that I can use as the basis for the outer walls, before I get onto the penthouses… I notice you got the plans for New Hey from the National Archives at Kew… was it easy to obtain a copy of the plans?

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:17 am

Hi BenNRO at Kew is a mine of railway information and I can recommend it to anyone – they have an on line catalogue but be warned last time I looked it cost a small fortune for copies, i was lucky there, a friend was doing some research there in person and i got a full set for the station buildings and the 1912 Goods Shed gratis.

can I suggest Greater Manchester County Records Office as an alternate – go online (sorry cant remember their web address) catalogue A19 contains the same drawings of New Hey as at Kew!! – Also the L and Y Society have deposited all their drawings there as well so you may well be lucky and find an actual drawing of Swinton goods shed. Im not sure how much they charge for copying stuff but Im sure its not London prices lol.

If all else fails get back in touch with me and I will loan you the plans – I was thinking of donating them to the MMRS plan archive soon as it happens, Ive actually finished with them now – you could do worse than joining MMRS :clap

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:38 pm

and heres the link for those who cant be bothered googling….http://www.gmcro.co.uk/

and a direct link into the railway drawings:
http://www.gmcro.co.uk/catalogues/userguide/guide.htm

enjoy, something of interest for all NW railway modellers.

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Re: New Hey

Postby benjy83 » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:46 pm

Thanks for the info Andy, I’ll definitely give the GMCRO a go – like you say, I might strike gold!!Thanks again for the advice,

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:36 pm

contrary to popular opinion a bit of work has been continuing and Im pleased to announce the finishing of the 20 points for the fiddleyard!! Its been a drawn out process mainly as I had a month out in April / May 2 weeks at Uni then a further two weeks cruising the Baltic in style on this:

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To have a look at things like this :

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The Molli railway.

All Ive got to do is lay them and wire it all up now – Hmm in three weeks ? Im off chilling in the good farmer Eavis’s fields again from tomorrow but when i get back Ive a days flexi leave booked on Tuesday – the fiddleyard will be set up in youngest sons bedroom, track laid and wired – and pic s will follow to prove :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby 62659 » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:47 pm

Mr Cooper might be interested to know that a coal float and loading shovel are progressing. Both will be ready for October but haven’t a cat in hell’s chance of making it to Members’ Day!Firstly, the coal float. This is a Bedford ML, from (quite appropriately) the Coopercraft kit. It’s not the easiest thing in the world to put together but it’s getting there.

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Secondly, the loading shovel. This is a Fordson/Chaseside example and is from that rare thing, a Langley kit that goes together well (well, it does if you can make sense of the instructions…)

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Finally, having read this thread again from top to bottom, I note that Coachmann asked after the provenance of the Rochdale Corporation ‘bus. In fact it is a Corgi model, stripped down and repainted. I think it was originally in Morecambe colours and it actually has one too many window bays (which didn’t make flush glazing any easier!) but it was the only source of a Weymann bodied Regent. The crew and passengers are Prieser. The lining still needs tidying up a bit and when Andy decides which way round it’s going on the layout, it’ll acquire destination blinds.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:09 pm

The track is down (well as much as is going down for members day – ive actually run out of track – underestimated by 5 lengths so if any trader who stocks either C n L or SMP EM guage code 75BH NS rail is going to the members day you have a sale!!Ive just gapped all the coperclad using a slitting disk – dusty but quick – and its now all isolated, only two gaps were not adequate which is a result. Now wiring starts, easy enough with DCC all the dropper holes are drilled, solder onto the rail at one end and to the bus bar at the other! Also got the point motors from Tim at Arcadia today, and despite his pointing out the good points of the new Hornby Standard 4 and how it would be just right for New Hey, I resisted that, but bought another “just right” vehicle for the layout in addition to the point motors. He was still pleased with hs sale though and he reckons I will be back for the Standard 4 sooner or later :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:48 am

Andy C wrote:The track is down (well as much as is going down for members day – ive actually run out of track – underestimated by 5 lengths so if any trader who stocks either C n L or SMP EM guage code 75BH NS rail is going to the members day you have a sale!!

Are you still looking for SMP EM track Andy??

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:41 pm

MartinWales wrote:

Andy C wrote:The track is down (well as much as is going down for members day – ive actually run out of track – underestimated by 5 lengths so if any trader who stocks either C n L or SMP EM guage code 75BH NS rail is going to the members day you have a sale!!

Are you still looking for SMP EM track Andy??

Yes indeedy, whilst Arcadia is fine for RTR and a few odd bits, Tim doesnt cater for us EM P4 peole in track. PECO by the boxload, but SMP / C and L, no.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:40 am

Wiring the fiddleyard has not been the easiest job thats been done on the layout. For a start when I said i’d build them bombproof I wasnt kidding. The ply is like armour plate so drilling the pilot holes and then screwing in the point motor bases has not been easy, and despite a few shortcuts, I seem to have used miles of wire!!However progress has continued so much so that at least we will have thing running on members day, even though we will probably be handballing the points over at the back as the diode matrices are not fully wired up yet. Vulcan built these for me – watching him wrestle trying to fix one to the basebaords on Tuesday night brought out the best of the Anglo saxon in him :D

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The yard control, note the big point firing button – not so much bomb proof as bomb setting off. It reminds me of the Spitting Image sketch where Nancy is in bed with Ronald reagan and he says to her “Did the Earth move Nancy ” “No Ronald” “well it will now” (Reagans hand pushes the Nuke button)

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:04 am

Well so long as we manually swith the points in the fiddleyard we have a working layout!! – and all that really needs doing is connecting wires between the Diode matrix tag strips and the point motor terminals now!
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Re: New Hey – an appeal!!

Postby Andy C » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:10 pm

Following the control disaster at The RM Web Members day last Saturday, some drastic decisions have been made , not the least being that DCC is not for this layout.As a consequence i want to start removing decoders from my locos, not a problem on the kit builds, but in the cases of the RTR conversions Ive used plug and play decoders, and thrown away the blanking plugs!! can anyone supply me with some they are throwing away, i need about a dozen!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby dibateg » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:39 pm

Andy – I’ve watched this thread with great interest, and really like the layout. May I ask what the problem was with DCC at the Members day was?And I fully approve of your Frank Gallagher strap line, I am a great fan……………..scattuh!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:42 pm

A long story – lots of details oon the Members day feedback thread, but basically Ive wired it up with misconceptions about DCC – a short took the whole layout out and nearly trashed the control unit – I was unable to run a thing all afternoon.Frank Gallagher – what an anti- hero!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Enterprisingwestern » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:14 pm

Andy C wrote:A long story – lots of details oon the Members day feedback thread, but basically Ive wired it up with misconceptions about DCC – a short took the whole layout out and nearly trashed the control unit – I was unable to run a thing all afternoon.

With respect Andy, why is that a DCC problem?
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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:28 pm

EnterprisingWestern wrote

why is that a DCC problem?

If I can answer your question because I know AndyC is elsewhere right now, it’s a matter of how the layout was sectioned (or not) into power districts. At least that’s what I think is the problem. One fault shuts down the whole layout.

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Re: New Hey

Postby dwhite4dcc » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:47 pm

Andy,I was there and my pics show your layout. It is huge in relation to mine. I too would take you to task on your disillusionment with DCC. Dividing such a layout up into switchable sections so that you can run more than one train at a time on DC might prove counter productive.

Two observations only and then from behind a cloak of massive respect. 1) I would pick the most powerful command station that you can get. I don’t think the NCE can cut the mustard on it’s own, good as it is. 2) some of the wiring that I saw looked quite small in section.

Because DCC is ‘on’ all the time and is filtered through a lot of electronics (corners?), I really believe that you should be looking at at least five amps capacity for your layout.

The track power from DCC is basically square wave DC (I am told) and, because it is at a slightly higher basic voltage to cope with the ‘corners’ in the decoders, likes larger wire.

I do appreciate that a short caused the problem and that you have isolated it but, as others have said, that same short would likely have shut down the layout anyway on DC.

I was completely unaware of the problems but still reckon that is a magnificent layout and, for maximum operating pleasure, needs to be DCC. Just think of all that track cutting, extra wiring, switchgear and controllers you will need to acquire!!

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Postby Andy C » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:22 pm

Im back , blowing a tuba can be very therapeutic!!To be honest it requires no track cutting whatsoever – I allready had sliced it into sectons when I built it – I just fell into the trap of feeding the whole shebang off one set of bus wires. To be honest whats now putting me off is the cost of protecting those sections with circuit breakers – thats going to run to ?200 plus, i can retro fit DC at nil or little cost. And trust me that cost is a big issue. The other issue is the amount of time spent cueing up locos out he fiddleyards especially with operators who infrequently use the kit /layout and the constant track wheel cleaning.

Its not for New Hey – the next layout yes definately its a different ball game completely, As for the short fallacy with DC, Ive nevr yet had a short on a layout that Ive not been able to imediately isolate and carry on running stock.

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Re: New Hey

Postby dwhite4dcc » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:32 pm

Andy C wrote: To be honest whats now putting me off is the cost of protecting those sections with circuit breakers – thats going to run to ?200 plus.

OK Andy, loud and clear. One last thought. Instead of circuit breakers, how about car bulbs? Crude, effective, cheap and a useful guide to where the short actually is.

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Postby Andy C » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:37 pm

dwhite4dcc wrote:

Andy C wrote: To be honest whats now putting me off is the cost of protecting those sections with circuit breakers – thats going to run to ?200 plus.

OK Andy, loud and clear. One last thought. Instead of circuit breakers, how about car bulbs? Crude, effective, cheap and a useful guide to where the short actually is.

Yes Ive been watching the debate on the thread on this for my other vested DCC interest at the MMRS, Slattocks Junction, but we already seem to be discounting that idea !

I can see where you are coming from but I think for my own sanity (if its there anyway lol). I’ve not given up on DCC and see many advantages but I am going to start from scratch with DCC on the next layout which is far more manageable.

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Re: New Hey

Postby oggy1953 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:46 pm

:D Just read through this thread. Great Layout, Love your nice and tidy garage, Just like mine :D How about a comp for the untidiest railway garage in Britain
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Re: New Hey

Postby Neil » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:01 pm

Andy C wrote:

dwhite4dcc wrote:

Andy C wrote: To be honest whats now putting me off is the cost of protecting those sections with circuit breakers – thats going to run to ?200 plus.

OK Andy, loud and clear. One last thought. Instead of circuit breakers, how about car bulbs? Crude, effective, cheap and a useful guide to where the short actually is.

Yes Ive been watching the debate on the thread on this for my other vested DCC interest at the MMRS, Slattocks Junction, but we already seem to be discounting that idea !

I can see where you are coming from but I think for my own sanity (if its there anyway lol). I’ve not given up on DCC and see many advantages but I am going to start from scratch with DCC on the next layout which is far more manageable.

I’ve been following the problems on the members day thread as well Andy. You seem to have had a good number of people saying stick with dcc, and give advice about splitting the layout up into power districts. I’m not sure this is necessarily the best advice. I’ve always baulked at dcc because of the cost, but your description of the members day nightmare set me thinking that there were other reasons not to go with dcc. Let’s assume that you’ve installed power districts (looks like a good way along the route to full sectioning as per dc control) which would help with fault finding. If trains don’t work on a dc layout it’s the controller, the loco or the bits of wire in between that’s at fault. With dcc it’s all of the above plus the chip or the chip installation too. The increase in variables must make fault finding more complex, especially when dcc being far more sensitive to partial shorts is factored in. Paying more for something that’s more likely to go wrong and harder to put right when it does seems plain daft.

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Re: New Hey

Postby mines a pint » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:03 pm

With dcc it’s all of the above plus the chip or the chip installation too. The increase in variables must make fault finding more complex, especially when dcc being far more sensitive to partial shorts is factored in. Paying more for something that’s more likely to go wrong and harder to put right when it does seems plain daft.Remember the birthplace of the Luddite movement is only a few miles east of you.

Without wishing to jump on any particular bandwagon, I realise the potential must be much greater on larger layouts for DCC operation and that people who have ‘grown up’ with it know how to make it work, I also know that I personally cant realise the advantages on my scale of modelling, until such a point that DCC becomes easier (for me) to use and/or cheaper than DC- makes it easier & cheaper to stick with DC.

Edit: Have removed my experiences of large layout wiring as they were 20yrs ago and not relevant to this discussion

I’m not knocking DCC I’d just like to wait ’till it was made as simple and cheap as DC- went through all that hassle with early computers, I’m loving plug & play now! just like windows XP
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Re: New Hey

Postby beast66606 » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:12 pm

“Quality is remembered long after the price has been forgotten” – my mate Gerry B (and probably others)DCC is suitable for any size of layout, even a boring (to me) plank, if you can wire a layout for DC then you can do it for DCC, if you can fix faults on DC then you can fix them on DCC – if not then it doesn’t really matter what system you use, you are going to struggle.

For those who think the prototype stops by insulation joints in the rails then feel free to stick with DC but I would strongly advise Andy to stick with DCC, all those quaint section / cab switches and associated wires aren’t required – and they are something else to go wrong with DC after all (and just think of the money saved by not installing them) :roll:

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Postby mines a pint » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:54 pm

beast66606 wrote:“Quality is remembered long after the price has been forgotten” – my mate Gerry B (and probably others)DCC is suitable for any size of layout, even a boring (to me) plank, if you can wire a layout for DC then you can do it for DCC, if you can fix faults on DC then you can fix them on DCC – if not then it doesn’t really matter what system you use, you are going to struggle.

For those who think the prototype stops by insulation joints in the rails then feel free to stick with DC but I would strongly advise Andy to stick with DCC, all those quaint section / cab switches and associated wires aren’t required – and they are something else to go wrong with DC after all (and just think of the money saved by not installing them) :roll:

-and there was me thinking you were chilled out & level-headed!

beast66606 wrote:“Quality is remembered long after the price has been forgotten” – my mate Gerry B (and probably others)DCC is suitable for any size of layout, even a boring (to me) plank, if you can wire a layout for DC then you can do it for DCC, if you can fix faults on DC then you can fix them on DCC – if not then it doesn’t really matter what system you use, you are going to struggle.

For those who think the prototype stops by insulation joints in the rails then feel free to stick with DC

It certainly doesnt matter what system you use, as long as you are comfortable with it, I’ve tried DCC and was not comfortable with it neither the cost or the installation time to non dcc fitted locos, and for my own situation DC was preferable-

You are welcome to your own opinions, but I think that you are going to be pretty disparaging of many of the members interests here, by being bored of plank type layouts, which must mean you are flat-lining at the boxfile ones :?:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Mod5 » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:32 am

Gentlemen,Whilst Andy C has discussed his problems with DCC here it would appear he has come to terms with it and the solution in his own mind. Lets not devalue the thread by making it into yet another argument over whether to DCC or not. New Hey is an excellent layout that suffered a problem last weekend that Andy is addressing. I would not want members reading about New Hey to have to trawl through this pointless circular debate to find out about what Andy is doing next with his layout.

So no more discussion on this in here please. I note that late last night Andy York locked off a topic about this argument. This is NOT the place for it to be continued.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:02 am

Good luck sorting out the problems Andy. Regarding blanking plugs, which I too didn’t have, I took the drastic course and ran solder between the electrics! However, I later learned they can be purchased.
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Re: New Hey

Postby dwhite4dcc » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:16 pm

Coachmann wrote:Good luck sorting out the problems Andy. Regarding blanking plugs, which I too didn’t have, I took the drastic course and ran solder between the electrics! However, I later learned they can be purchased.

I think they can be purchased in long lengths that you have to cut. Obviously, the suppliers don’t list them as DCC blanking plugs.

Maplins would be best and a trawl through their catalogue in a shop and then mail order would be best. Rapid are cheaper but have minimum order quantities. I need some more kit from Rapid soon so would be happy to order some for you and send them on. Let me know the part number.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:49 pm

Thanks Mod 5 you have it spot on I have it reconciled in my own head and the action plan is now in place, I and my operators are happy with it and that is that as far as we are concerned. Moving swiftly on folks – and thank you for those who have offered blanking plugs much appreciated.
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Re: New Hey

Postby mines a pint » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:21 pm

Andy C wrote:Thanks Mod 5 you have it spot on I have it reconciled in my own head and the action plan is now in place, I and my operators are happy with it and that is that as far as we are concerned. Moving swiftly on folks – and thank you for those who have offered blanking plugs much appreciated.

-big sorry from here for anything which fanned any flames! :roll: – full of beer, and had a lot of personal dissatisfaction with my own attempt at making DCC work (it didn’t).

-Thoroughly inspired by the layout, and how you have put it together with all the other hobbies & pressures on your time…massive respect!-and as couldnt make it to members day due to work look forward to seeing it in the flesh! :clap & wishing you every success with the ‘action plan’ ! :thup

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:32 am

Work started last night at the end of the chain – the locos and in particular some that were problematical under DCC. These include the two kitbuilt L and Y classes the 27 (A class) and the 23 (Aspinall 0-6-0ST). The Aspinall, being split frame has always been trouble with DCC and has blown 3 decoders so Id given up on it. As its the first etched brass loco kit Id ever built I was reluctant to do this and after last night it ran as good as gold on the test bench wth the decoder removed – albeit a tad noisily in reverse. Im glad to see it back on the roster.

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Also another problematical loco the Super D was de-chipped and ran fine (Id ended up hard wiring a decoder in this and it just didnt want to play) – already I have 3 extra locos on the roster which if ever made an appearance, was fleeting. Having looked at the 4f and tested that on the bench, Ive elected to leave the decoder in it for the time being as it wired in the american fashion and on reflection was a bit of a birds nest under the tender and loco, wires going all over the shop!! The Jinty has also been de – chipped.

The operating crew are gathering here tonight to hammer out the final wiring detail and work will start Saturday putting new wiring looms together as the raw materials (D connectors – I already have the wire) arrived yesterday.

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Re: New Hey

Postby stubby47 » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:03 am

Andy,Brave decision to rewire back to DC – hope it all goes well. It sounds like you’re pleased with the change already.

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Re: New Hey

Postby ullypug » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:44 am

Best of luck with this Andy.Cheers

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:23 am

Work started last night at the end of the chain – the locos and in particular some that were problematical under DCC. These include the two kitbuilt L and Y classes the 27 (A class) and the 23 (Aspinall 0-6-0ST).

Sorry to hear both your LYR ‘A’Class 0-6-0’s are now running well on DC………………….I was hoping to buy one off you! :wall :lol: :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Enterprisingwestern » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:18 am

Please note, I am not fanning the flames again.
My loco’s run on both DCC and DC layouts, and I have found they seem to run better/smoother on DC with the decoder fitted, has anyone else noticed this?
Also Andy, by leaving the chips in then your engines can run on other peoples DCC layouts, surely they are too good too keep to yourself? Of course I realise there may be financial incentives to be gained by your removing the chips.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Neil » Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:12 am

Like the saddle tank lots Andy; revives happy memories of the real deal on the Worth Valley, walking up the line from Keighley to Haworth watching trains barking up the bank, the jewel of a station at Damems, poking about the yard at Haworth and the bookshop at the station, capped off by a ride across the tops to Hebden Bridge on the top deck of the bus, and home by train over L&Y metals.If a model can do all that it doesn’t really matter what lies beneath the skin. A good model’s a good model.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:56 pm

Enterprisingwestern wrote:Please note, I am not fanning the flames again.
My loco’s run on both DCC and DC layouts, and I have found they seem to run better/smoother on DC with the decoder fitted, has anyone else noticed this?
Also Andy, by leaving the chips in then your engines can run on other peoples DCC layouts, surely they are too good too keep to yourself? Of course I realise there may be financial incentives to be gained by your removing the chips.

The 4F seemed to be OK last night with the chip in although there was some delay when applying the power, mind you the test bench controller is a Duette which has been around since Moby Dick was a tadpole. I must admit Ive concentrated on the locos that didnt run well so far, if there is any evidence of better performance I may leave some in. As for others layouts all my oppos are strictly DC so theres no incentive there!!

Neil, thanks for the comments on the class 23, it turned out well for a first effort, its probably about 10/12 years old now !

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:17 pm

A productive evening was held tonight by most of the operating crew thrashing out the final design for the wiring – its now done and we are ready to roll.

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Lots of paper lots of ideas and it may not be quite as much work as first perceived. Work starts in earnest this weekend.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Dutch_Master » Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:52 am

Andy, not having ploughed through all 17 ( :wow ) pages of this thread, was it only the disappointment of the Members Day outing that made you re-convert to DC, or was there more? If so, would you eleborate on that perhaps? I’m having this feeling that you’re blaming DCC for a fault that under similar circumstances would have had a similar impact if you’d run your layout in DC. But that may be just my perception… If you don’t want to do this publically, you could always send me a PM :D (note that I’m a DCC adept, but as stated by some-ones sig here: learn from other peoples mistakes as you don’t have the time to experience it all for yourself :wall ;))
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Re: New Hey

Postby Savoyard » Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:59 am

Andy,Looking at your wiring diagram is has only confirmed that I would have never touched model railways if it wasn’t for DCC!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:20 am

The wiring diagram is simple really – the SW marks are Single Pole Double Throw centre off switches, the top and bottom wires represent feeds from either Up main, down main or yard dependant upon the section or “Power district” in DCC jargonese (can we now start playing bullsh*t bingo with DCC terms?) and the middle wire is the feed to the apprpriate section. The common return utilises the existing return bus bar, and the yard (section 9 on the dia), to save a lot of wiring will use the other bus bar.The thing is if Id have wired the thing as people are now recommending for DCC in the first place instead of taking every feed off one bus bar (remember the two wire DCC Mantra) I would have still had to do the same wiring – minus the section switches on the panel granted, but that is no problem whatsoever, but i would have still had to wire in the circuit breakers for each section. The SPDT switches are in fact a hand driven mechanical circuit breaker in this context. It is not a hassle now we have talked it through and have a clear idea where we are going.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Dutch_Master » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:39 pm

Andy replied in a PM and given the circumstances I fully understand his decision and I think it was the only viable option he had. Thx Andy! :thup
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Re: New Hey

Postby jim s-w » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:01 pm

Andy C wrote:
i would have still had to wire in the circuit breakers for each section.

Hi Andy

That would be wired into your transformer box – it wouldn’t affect the wiring of the layout itself.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:34 pm

From what I’ve read on RMweb, we say it’s a fellas layout and he can do what he wants with it, so with that in mind, Andy’s declaration to go over to DC was clear enough.Counter arguments from DCC followers only serves to show that new trenches are being dug to add to those already dug by advocates of P4 . :P

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Re: New Hey

Postby 10800 » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:37 pm

Coachmann wrote:to add to those already dug by advocates of P4 . :P

ah, those old ones are always the best :roll:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:22 pm

Now then chaps!!lets not get hung up on naming fundamentalists – it doesnt matter what the scale / gauge/ prototype / method of control / track system theres always an taliban element to it :lol:

I am genuinely surprised a that a decision based on sheer pragmatism and common sense has had such a reaction. As I explained to Dutch-master the decision to retrofit DC isnt one that is borne of gut reaction – its been coming for a while now. Last Saturday was just the straw that broke the camels back and I want to keep it in that perspective. There are a lot of reasons behind this decision which go back over the last year and a half as we have been getting the layout together. At the end of the day its all to do with what I want to do with the layout, put on a show for the paying punter as well as display the modelling – and with the current set up that wasnt happening, nor was it likely to happen.

Not only that but a communication with John Russell of Bromsgrove Models has indicated that the unit I have may not be quite man enough to deal with a layout with the size and stock of New Hey. So there we go, the NCE has been packed away to be got out in the new year in preparation for my P4 layout, Sparthbottom PCD, which is already on the stocks, albeit laid up whilst New Hey gets finished.

I will continue to post updates as i suspect people are interested in the rewire and new operation and how it goes, but lets get away from fighting corners. As you can see I’m pretty broad church, and unconcerned what others think of my actions – its what works for the operators, the punters and the layout thats important.

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Re: New Hey

Postby jim s-w » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:06 am

Coachmann wrote:From what I’ve read on RMweb, we say it’s a fellas layout and he can do what he wants with it, so with that in mind, Andy’s declaration to go over to DC was clear enough.Counter arguments from DCC followers only serves to show that new trenches are being dug to add to those already dug by advocates of P4 . :P

Not at all Larry

Andy can and will do whatever he wants and I dont believe anyone actually has a problem with that. However any misinformation is not helpful either. Yes using 1 set of bus wires on a large layout is not good practice and I fully support Andy’s comment that the 2 wires is all you need for DCC mythology is wrong and has indeed in this case led him down a route that has ultimately led to his dissatisfaction with DCC (for now!).

However the short circuit protection required for multiple busses is pretty simple to install and the module for it can be brought off the shelf. Yes it costs money but as my friend who wired Moor Street for both found the extra wire and switches required for DC aint actually that cheap either! As long as you have seperate sections or rings which, on a more typical finescale layout such as New Hey, wont be connected together via the rails anyway then the short circuit protection required is easy.

Andy’s choice is made but that doesn’t mean this thread isnt helpful to others. I am sure the story of the rewiring will be just as interesting and helpful :thup

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:22 pm

A fair amount of progress has been made over the last few days, the wiring looms for the fiddleyards are now installed and connected to the droppers and the tag strip ready to connect to the fiddleyard panels and the 15 pin D connector between the two boards. I am quite pleased really. We are also modifying the points as per Mike Turners photo two pages previous – Phil Taylor took a couple of spares away last Friday evening and he reports they work quite well. At the Rochdale club night tomorrow it is inetended to prefabricate the other 7 wiring looms ready for fitting to the boards.Its amazing the power of RM Web. The band Ive been playing for over the last 6 months has virtually folded due to a few internal problems (nowt to do with me I hasten to add) and at the moment I’m sat in with Friezland band keeping my lip in (brass banding expression, nothing dodgy I assure you). Tonight the Baritone Horn player comes up to me and says “are you Andy C – I really like the layout and the thread” Fame (or is that infamy) at last.

Tonight Ian Manderson, who has taken the photos for the Railway Modeller article has sent me the contact prints he took at Members day – got to say Im quite pleased, he has got a few angles I wasnt aware of but will be trying myself in due course with the EOS.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:13 am

Andy’s choice is made but that doesn’t mean this thread isnt helpful to others. I am sure the story of the rewiring will be just as interesting and helpful

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:57 pm

Courtesy of Vulcan a rare pic of the Rochdale MRG at work – tonight all the wiring looms were made up ready for installation into the boards.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:37 am

Can’t help spotting the suntan Andy. Heatwaves in Rochdale must be as rare as chickens lips… :lol:
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:29 pm

That’s a Glastonbury tan Larry (and thats not rust before anyone asks)My 3 controllers arrived from Modelex today after a couple of days residing at the Post Office. Good service as always from Pat Ryan. I used Modelex pots on spotland bridge and whilst they look a little bulky compared to say Gaugemaster or the AMR units Ive used in the past, i fully agree with Pats reasoning behind that size- a bigger heatsink which helps protect the unit. theAMR in particular were prone to getting hot in your hand.

Tonights job will be putting the covers on the 15 pins and tidying up the wiring looms before i start to graft them into the boards. i might even take a few photos!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:43 pm

Whilst I have been putting covers on the D plugs and tidying up the looms, Vulcan has been busy on the section panel. This will be fitted on board B – the middle scenic board with the warehouse on – let into the lower backscene below rail level. The feeds from the switches will then lead out to a tag strip in the middle of the board which will distribute into the wiring looms either side. the Din plugs for the controllers will also be fixed into the lower backscene boards.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:52 pm

Some more pics from tonight – this is the underside of fiddle board “B” now with the wiring in place and the plug wired – it looks a mess but thats because there are 7 wiring looms at the far end of the board which really shouldnt be there!! This board is now complete aapart from wiring the point motors into the tag strip at the far end and then hooing it all up to the panel. The boards are back in my youngest sons room, unfortunately he’s left his Strat here which can prove an easy distraction – it makes a change from a Tuba anyway :D

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Its now 2 weeks after the tribulations of members day and considering the change in direction its amazing what has been acheived in that time.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:09 am

That guitar had me fooled. I thought you were in the wind section… :D
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Re: New Hey

Postby Leander » Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:02 am

Excellent progress chaps :clap :clap :clap
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:45 pm

Phew thats 4 out of 9 boards wired now – the fiddleyards were finished off this lunch apart from the actual power inputs (that needs to be done when the other three missing roads are added in this week) and the two fiddle return boards were completed this afternoon. I may get one of the scenic return boards out of the way this evening as well if i feel like it – this means working in the garage though.

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These first two show how the loom is effectively dropped into place. As you can see from Wednesdays pic its first made up on the bench with the wires cut to the correct length plus some for margin of error. To be honest if this wasnt a retro fit then it would get more technical – we make up a pin jig with pins where the feeds are and construct the loom on the bech with all the bends pre formed – it then just drops into the underside of the board and solders up. As it is the wiring is fairly simple so that may have been overkill anyway.

I then lay the loom over the board, fix in the connector end and then work down it, splicing in connections to the droppers from the correct wire (I hope lol) until reaching the far end connector. I Then use the multimeter to buzz out the circuits to make sure there are no dry joints or shorts. Where the wire meets the fedd the bare ends are twisted on then soldered to ensure a good connection – its then insulated using heatshrink. lastly the loom is fixed onto the baseboard using self adhesive blocks and cable ties.

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two more pics showing the connections between the two fiddleyard boards to be honest here, I would normaly have used a bigger D connector but the feeds to the crossing Vees were already through the exisiting 15 pin. It mad more sense to put another 15 pin in rather than undo the work I’d already done. the wiring on this one took some thinking out, as the feeds are isolated on 4 of the roads they go through diferent pins. Bring on the next one!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby MartinWales » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:11 pm

Nice work Andy! The rate of progress since Member’s Day have been astonishing! Looking forward to seeing/operating at Manchester!
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Re: New Hey – Bad light stopped play

Postby Andy C » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:08 pm

Bad light stopped play in the garage tonight – the nights are obviously starting to draw in which is worrying – winter must be on its way and Ive not seen summer yet!! – but another two boards had their looms wired in, after the emergency purchase of a new hole saw on the way home from work in order to cut wire routing holes in the cross members. So more progress is made. Just the three front scenic boards to do now and put the panel in. The rest of the evening will be spent wiring up the point motors on the fiddleyards.
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Spotland Bridge

Postby Andy C » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:02 pm

We are in the process of putting a new Rochdale MRG website together and tonight Vulcan sent me some pics of the previous layout!!

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Re: New Hey – the railway that dare not mention its name…

Postby Andy C » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:14 pm

And prior to that, oh the shame, the shame……..and definately nothing to do with the L and Y. All taken circa 1992 we think at the Normanton Show, where on seeing the amount of totty outside in the streets on the Friday setting up was told by a well known member of the Pontefract group “Aye lad, theres food for man and beast out there, but you will be down the clinic on Monday morning” Thanks again to Vulcan for that exhibition memory (Oh I am still doing the rewire on New hey by the way, just being diverted from time to time)

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I suppose it wasnt a bad layout really apart from the fact it was the Gas Works – my first ever exhibition layout and I liked it anyway!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy G » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:57 pm

Good to see a proper railway again :D :D
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:39 pm

Andy G wrote:Good to see a proper railway again :D :D

Do not fear all in RM Webland normal service was resumed tonight – i grafted the loom into board C – perhaps the hardest as its got most of the pointwork on and only made one minor cock up. Vulcan wired in the panels at one side of the fiddleyard and 62659 fettled the exit points at the other end of the fiddleyard. A good evenings progress and not a hint of the GWR about. Incidentaly there are some bits of Brushford on New Hey. It will be ineteresting tosee which RM Web member can spot them at manchester show. And no Im not including the GW Toad which has been repainted unfitted grey and appears on the engineers train, too obvious!!

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Re: Spotland Bridge

Postby mines a pint » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:22 pm

Andy C wrote:We are in the process of putting a new Rochdale MRG website together and tonight Vulcan sent me some pics of the previous layout!!
………………..Always intended as the test bed for New Hey!

Always liked the Spotland Bridge layout, nice to see pics of it again , didnt straight away put 2 & 2 together that it was yours! (never read exibition programmes properly) is it still extant?

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:58 am

It would be wrong to say Spotland went to Valhalla as there are bits of it all over the place, its legs and fiddleyards are in the garage for potential other use, the baseboard frames are in the loft, some of the detailing bits are on New Hey – the station seats and the population for example as well as the vehicles and obviously some stock. Some of the track and the goods shed end went onto my Belfield Wharf micro layout, which is up in the loft! Essentialy its gone though.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Phil » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:54 am

That little yellow Ruston is nice Andy on, was it Spotland Bridge ?Is it ever likely to briefly appear on New Hey – although there is no logical reason for it ?

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:45 am

That little yellow Ruston is nice Andy on, was it Spotland Bridge ? Is it ever likely to briefly appear on New Hey – although there is no logical reason for it ?

Lees shed had a little 0-4-0 diesel in 1960. I can’t remember what it was used for (maybe Clegg Street Parcels Depot?) but I do recall it was once left close by a garage between County End and Grotton for the batteries to be charged one Sunday afternoon! It was green, but a yellow shunter could have been on trial with a bit of modellers licence and it could have migrated to New Hey for a specific job! It probably belonged to parent-shed Newton Heath anyway.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:24 am

Phil wrote:That little yellow Ruston is nice Andy on, was it Spotland Bridge ?Is it ever likely to briefly appear on New Hey – although there is no logical reason for it ?

The Ruston belongs to Vulcan – he built it from a Judith Edge Kit and is one of, if not the first kits he ever built. I did the paint and weathering job on it. It spent its time shunting the Turner bros. industrial lines on Spotland, but unfortunately theres no excuse to run it on New hey. Mind you whos to say that it wont get slipped on from time to time like a few other interlopers knocking round the group. Ian Worthington is (occasionally) building a Finney A4 and I wouldnt mind seeing that stretch its legs round New Hey!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Vulcan » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:38 am

Andy G wrote:Good to see a proper railway again :D :D

Some people are just incurable. :roll: :lol:

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Re: New Hey

Postby 62659 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:18 pm

And prior to that, oh the shame, the shame……..

I (hazily) remember trying to operate that layout at Rochdale at about Sunday lunchtime after a very heavy session in the Tap & Spile the night before!

If I remember correctly (which is by no means guaranteed – it was a good session!), Suddaby had to drive a car load of extremely “tired and emotional” MMRS members home. An interesting exercise – he didn’t know where everyone lived and most of us weren’t in a state to give him directions…

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Re: New Hey

Postby 45 039 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:46 pm

Hmm Yes, I remember the hangover well………
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Re: New Hey

Postby Vulcan » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:22 pm

Coachmann wrote:

That little yellow Ruston is nice Andy on, was it Spotland Bridge ? Is it ever likely to briefly appear on New Hey – although there is no logical reason for it ?

Lees shed had a little 0-4-0 diesel in 1960. I can’t remember what it was used for (maybe Clegg Street Parcels Depot?) but I do recall it was once left close by a garage between County End and Grotton for the batteries to be charged one Sunday afternoon! It was green, but a yellow shunter could have been on trial with a bit of modellers licence and it could have migrated to New Hey for a specific job! It probably belonged to parent-shed Newton Heath anyway.

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Well Coachmann there is a green Ruston that just needs the completion of transfers, varnish, and weathering to complete. Maybe now is the time to finish it. :lol:

Regarding the appearance of the yellow one on New Hey. It has already run over most of the front scenic boards when the layout was resident in our then clubroom. :)

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:05 pm

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And prior to that, oh the shame, the shame……..

I (hazily) remember trying to operate that layout at Rochdale at about Sunday lunchtime after a very heavy session in the Tap & Spile the night before!

If I remember correctly (which is by no means guaranteed – it was a good session!), Suddaby had to drive a car load of extremely “tired and emotional” MMRS members home. An interesting exercise – he didn’t know where everyone lived and most of us weren’t in a state to give him directions…

It was a magnificent session which was reflected in the quality of the hangover on the Sunday and Trevor Hughes’ “A table for 26 please” at the Star of Bengal.

And tonight despite having to do some MMRS Exhibition Managers duties, ie proof reading the guide from Ralph R. I finished the first scenic boards wiring. Will start the next one tomorrow. The proof reading was dissapointing, no major cock ups the of the scale when “Knutsford East Junction” got transposed as “Kuntsford” Shame it never made it to print, it would have been a classic.

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Re: New Hey

Postby spark1326 » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:16 am

Hi all!Anybody got any advice for the colours to use to achieve similar results for stonework as on the Rochdale station building? It’s excellent!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:25 am

spark1326 wrote:Hi all!Anybody got any advice for the colours to use to achieve similar results for stonework as on the Rochdale station building? It’s excellent!!

Mark

I will have to kill you if i tell you!!

The builing are first painted in GW stone No 1 – it has to have some use and id a few tins left after thexercise shown above – Brushford! I then use various shades of humbrol mid browns (62 is a favourite) and then put some on a pallette – i then rub a finger in it just coating it (to a tacky consisitency) and then rub it in with my finger over the stone No 1 painted raised plasticard. I do several workovers with this building up the pigment so each stone is virtually an individual colour – it usually takes 2 – 4 passes with the finger. Stage 3 is the soot – this is humbrol Matt black cut with a little Humbrol Navy blue. The same technique is used, a little tacky paint on the finger and lightly rub it over the stone work – Its dry brushing really but with your fingers. very easy, very therapeutic and very effective. You can use dry brushing to get into he bits your pinkies cant reach (although they are black not pink by the time you have finished).

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:00 pm

They say a picture paints a thousand word so heres some I posted very early on in the thread to illustrate the process.

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I hope you find them useful – its nice to pass on a few tricks and techniques, nothings copyright in this game.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Coachmann » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:02 pm

Neat little Diesel there, as are the wasp stripes Vulcan. Although I saw the Lees engine, my memory is hopeless when it comes to diesel shunters. Was it a Ruston then?
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Re: New Hey

Postby Vulcan » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:11 pm

Coachmann wrote:Neat little Diesel there, as are the wasp stripes Vulcan. Although I saw the Lees engine, my memory is hopeless when it comes to diesel shunters. Was it a Ruston then?

Thanks for the compliment Coachmann. If it was a BR stock loco at Lees then it wouldn’t have been a Ruston 165DS. BR only had two of these both based in London. (The only reason I’m modelling em is because I like em. :D )

The only 0-4-0 shunters I can think of in the Manchetser area were the Yorkshire Engine Co Class 02’s D2850 – D2869 so maybe one of these is a possibility.

There was what you might call a non standard shunter which was in departmental stock and was probably allocated to Newton Heath shed in the 1960’s. It was a Fowler 0-4-0 centre cab jackshaft drive loco No ED6 which spent most it’s time at Castleton engineers yard. It certainly visited Newton Heath for fuel and maintenence. The info I have suggests ED6 received green but with no yellow / wasp stripe ends. It would be nice to find out more about the loco you saw, and even nicer if there is a 4mm kit available. Craftsman did the 02 and one of our other members has one in OO gauge.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Suddaby » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:47 am

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I (hazily) remember trying to operate that layout at Rochdale at about Sunday lunchtime after a very heavy session in the Tap & Spile the night before!If I remember correctly (which is by no means guaranteed – it was a good session!), Suddaby had to drive a car load of extremely “tired and emotional” MMRS members home. An interesting exercise – he didn’t know where everyone lived and most of us weren’t in a state to give him directions…

Yes I remember it well…………….”It’sh the next juncshion…….” was the instruction….. at every junction on the M62/63 (they hadn’t invented the M60 then) beween Rochdale and Sale!!!!! And then having seen 45 039 stagger up his path realising that neither I nor Mr R had any idea where we were. Happy Days!! :clap :clap :clap :clap

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:41 pm

The last board was started today, probably the hardest of the lot in a way as the control panel has to be let into the baseboards and the plugs for the controlers let in as well and then all wired up.

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All very well – I had carefully cut into the boards using a tenon saw very gently and got the panel fixed in. The remaining loom was grafted in and then all connected up with the panel through the tag strip seen in the pics. I then drilled the holes for the DIN plugs for the controlers. On the second hole there was a crashing sound and a sinking feeling in my gut. The view over the backscene confirmed my worse suspicions.

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Luckily the damage appears to be superficial – two windows are out of the goods shed which isnt a major problem, the tops fallen off one of the platform lamps, signal ladder has fallen off the home (thats the black object at the bottom) and one of the sash windows of the box is loose. Hopefully not too bad of a repair job. What really bugs me is that I’d modelled the loading dock inside the shed, this was a ply base which was all firmly glued down over a wide area, and this was the last thing I thought would fail in the work being done. Still after the rewiring it nowjere near as daunting putting this right.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:24 pm

Mega sigh of relief on two counts tonight,1 The wiring in was completed (although there is one minor error on a feed to correct and the selector switches on the fiddle yard to hook up to the boards) and is now ready for testing.

2. I finaly managed to do a damage survey on the flying goods shed. As the initial view proved there is only some superficial damage which should be easily repairable and not noticeable. PHEW :D :thup :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:39 am

One month and a day after RM Web members day, the wiring is complete :clap Many thanks to
Martin Edmonson, Phil Taylor, and ian Worthington who have lent valuable hands in climbing a mountain which on the evening of the 18th July did look unassailable, and in a time none of us thought possible.Now got a couple of weeks to tidy things up and test, then we will have a pre manchester running testing session with all the stock,

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Re: New Hey

Postby beast66606 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:03 am

Andy C wrote:One month and a day after RM Web members day, the wiring is complete

Just turn all the sections to one controller, replace that controller with a Digitrax/Lenz/Bachmann/Hornby/ECOS/whatever unit and you can use DCC :tongue :)

Glad the damage was easily repairable :thup

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:25 pm

Been away for a few days being indulgent:

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and anyone remember these and the Pot Headed Pixies?

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been at Beautiful Days fest in Devon chilling out with the Levellers!!

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Andy C wrote:One month and a day after RM Web members day, the wiring is complete

Just turn all the sections to one controller, replace that controller with a Digitrax/Lenz/Bachmann/Hornby/ECOS/whatever unit and you can use DCC :tongue :)

Hmmmm possibly not :D

beast66606 wrote:Glad the damage was easily repairable :thup

Cheers Ive had heart stopping moments before but that tops the lot!

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Re: New Hey

Postby 10800 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:21 pm

Andy C wrote:Been away for a few days being indulgent:

Nice stuff, Otter beers :thup

and anyone remember these and the Pot Headed Pixies?

Daevid looks about the same as he did when I saw them in Liverpool in ’73 with Hatfield & The North. Would never have recognised Hillage though :shock: Underneath all the mystic stuff Gong were (and are) a seriously tight outfit (unlike the one Allen is currently wearing :tongue )

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:41 pm

Righto a day off to recover from the excesses of the weekend and back to a bit of work on the layout (Although at this moment I do have Gong’s Radio Gnome Invisible / Flying Teapot on the Hi Fi from a cheapo CD I picked up at Beatiful Days Rod).The fiddleyard has now all the track laid and the connections into it – the only remaining work to do on this now is to put the CDU in – its currently having another capacitor put in it by Vulcan just to give it an extra bit of ooomph when firing 5 point motors at a time – and tofettle the points and point motors. Vulcan will also be glad to hear Ive also traced back the short that perplexed him last week, it was 2 unslit PCB sleepers on road 11. Its buzzed out now and there seems to be no problems.

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Those with good eyes will notice that as right at the start of construction I was ably? assisted by Floyd the younger of our 2 Border Collies he was in at the end :D

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Re: New Hey

Postby 10800 » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:44 pm

Andy C wrote:at this moment I do have Gong’s Radio Gnome Invisible / Flying Teapot on the Hi Fi from a cheapo CD I picked up at Beatiful Days Rod).

:thup But move on to Angel’s Egg and You – much spacier (preview on Spotify before buying if needed :winker ).

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:48 pm

10800 wrote:

Andy C wrote:at this moment I do have Gong’s Radio Gnome Invisible / Flying Teapot on the Hi Fi from a cheapo CD I picked up at Beatiful Days Rod).

:thup But move on to Angel’s Egg and You – much spacier (preview on Spotify before buying if needed :winker ).

Got Angels Egg on Vynyl !! (and Camembert Electrique and Floating Anarchy Live 77)

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Re: New Hey

Postby dibateg » Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:25 am

Radio Gnome Invisible, Camenbert Electrique – Flying Teapots and Pot Head Pixies – man – you guys are going back a bit! Some of my ‘spaced out’ mates made me some tapes up back in the early 80s of those, I still have them somewhere – nostalgia eh!
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:43 am

Following a hasty trip to Skipton show yesterday to pick up a new 50va 16 volt transformer and a new pointmotor to replace one which was “sticky” I fitted the new transformer in, put and extra connection in for the common return between the boards, fitted the new motor, pressed the big point firing buttons a good few times to run the sequence through, and hey presto work complete. The lid has now been put on thw power supply box to stop fingers accidentaly touching the live transformer mains feed or (as Vulcan did on wednesday evening) accidentaly touch the CDU and discharge it through his body :shock:Just to illustrate the power of these blogs / threads on RM Web, at Skipton the amount of folk asking about progress with the rewire was amazing – including having a bloke referred to me by the Tea Addicts (otherwise known as the Rassbottom Brow Group) to ask about DCC application. Really gents, that was a bit below the belt, but as derekEM8 said, its better to get it warts and all from someone whos been there seen it and got the T shirt and still got a foot in either camp :lol:

We have a running weekend next Saturday and Sunday now where the layout wil be systematicaly tested and worked up to full fiddleyard occupancy road by road, first to make sure it all works then with a view to trying out the new timetable – which I will post on here once its tested! (its a closed running session this year – people who are involved in the layout only – in any shape or form so that includes all of Rochdale MRG and a good part of of Manchester MRS on reflection!!)

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Re: New Hey

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The beefed up CDU arrangement now in place – Vulcan was taking no chances when tis beut was put together – watch out for flying point blades!!

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:49 pm

– and even better news, Ive set up board B in the garage this morning and glued (very firmly ) the goods shed back in place and repaired the signal and lampost. Watched Button and Hamilton take an early bath at Spa, then went back in garage and repaired the one known wiring error on board A, then powered up board B – the main control board for the first time. It works. Not only that but the Jinty i used to test it all runs better than it ever has done on the layout, which goes to prove that the NCE just didnt deliver the grunt. :D :D :DConsidering that 5 weeks ago if id have seen a tip on the way back from the members day I’d have gladly put the layout on it, Im feeling quite pleased with myself. My thanks as ever to all those who have assisted me in meeting the Manchester deadline, and especially Martin and Phil.

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Re: New Hey

Postby skipepsi » Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:54 pm

Congratulations! Now where will it be exhibited next it ticks a lot of boxes for me.
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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:05 pm

skipepsi wrote:Congratulations! Now where will it be exhibited next it ticks a lot of boxes for me.

Cheers :thup
Manchester on 3rd and 4th October 2009.

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As you will see, Its in with a lot of mega layouts such as Pempoul, Wibdenshaw, the “Stealth Bomber” so its got to work!!

After that on the books next year its York, Expo EM and Expo EM North.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Savoyard » Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:51 pm

If you are visiting the exhibition on the Saturday it was also be your last chance to ride the Oldham Loop Line and see the real ‘New Hey’ station before conversion to Metrolink. The last proper train runs that evening!Regards,

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Re: New Hey : A new loco for New Hey

Postby Andy C » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:59 pm

Making its debut on the layout tonight – the new order cometh.

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A quick Ultrascale conversion which took all of 10 mins before it tested the fiddleyard.

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:29 pm

Not tried uploading an spreadsheet before but this is the train / loco roster and timetable for New Hey. Hopefully we will get a chance to try it out this weekend! If it all works out then this sequence will operate at Manchester in 4 weeks time. Comments welcome!

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Re: New Hey

Postby OgaugeJB » Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:50 pm

The layout’s looking mega ! :thupIs that an ultrascale conversion on the 37 ? Is there still a 3 month waiting list for ultrascale wheels ? This is what put me off P4 unfortunately.. :roll:

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Re: New Hey

Postby Andy C » Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:52 am

OgaugeJB wrote:The layout’s looking mega ! :thupIs that an ultrascale conversion on the 37 ? Is there still a 3 month waiting list for ultrascale wheels ? This is what put me off P4 unfortunately.. :roll:

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Yes its Ultrascale – their current waiting list is around 14 weeks for items not in stock but they are well worth the wait. Colin at Alan Gibson does conversion sets but they are not drop in like Ultrascale, you have to use the existing gear wheels and put them on the axle first, then the wheels before dropping them in. The difference – a bit of extra work (10 mins). The only thing is I always keep the old wheel/gear sets when converting with Ultrascales as you can always convert it back easily. Thats a more difficult option using the Gibson wheels.

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Re: New Hey – what a difference 7 weeks and DC makes

Postby Andy C » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:18 pm

Well 7 weeks after being in the troughs of despondency and really wondering why I was building New Hey, this weekend we had the layout up in the Scout Hut. Just the hard core team in closed session and by this afternoon those who attended the members day would not recognise the layout. Whilst we didnt have time to complete everything and run the full timetable sequence we did have the constituent trains in the roads and every one was run round several times. the pointwork in the fiddleyards was well and truly fettled – there remains some beefing up of the system to do in the next few weeks but we are now on a roll.
The few wiring mistakes (counted on one hand) made in this extensive rewire, including a knotty one over how to switch a diamond automatically between 3 sections with no microswitces available – we used a spare SEEP PM4 in the end. It all worked in the end and not only that but a hell of a lot of locos which ran iffily under DCC veritably capered round the layout including the debuts of the Super D and of the Brit, the yet to be renumbered 70014 Iron Duke, one time resident of Newton Heath shed. The decision to convert New Hey to DC operation has been both a revelation and a lifesaver.To say I’m pleased is the understatement of the year – for the first time ever I’ve felt comfortable with the layout and not only that but we actually ended up playing with it later on. Thats what its all about after all!

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Re: New Hey – what a difference 7 weeks makes…

Postby Leander » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:48 pm

Excellent news Andy – really regret not being able to practice operating this weekend. Looking forward to Manchester.
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Re: New Hey – what a difference 7 weeks makes…

Postby Suddaby » Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:18 pm

Well done all of you – see you at Manchester!Kevin

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Re: New Hey – what a difference 7 weeks makes…

Postby Andy C » Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:03 pm

Cheers guys, Im actually looking forward to taking it to Manchester now.Now got 3 and a half weeks to do a bit more with the stock – a job list was put together plus weathering etc, and may also have a platelayers hut (on the Shaw curve) to put in by then.

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Re: New Hey – what a difference 7 weeks makes…

Postby Andy C » Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:17 pm

Spent some of the evening drawing the platelayers hut – will get round to cutting some plasticard over the next few days!

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Its situated just beyond two bridges road – in the photo below on this side of the track in front of the nose of the “new” loco!!

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Re: New Hey – what a difference 7 weeks makes…

Postby Coachmann » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:47 am

I remember Class 24’s, 25’s and 40’s on the Oldham loop, and admittedly I only saw them when staying with relatives after 1965, but weren’t Class 37’s quite rare in the Oldham area even in the blue era?
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Re: New Hey – what a difference 7 weeks makes…

Postby dikitriki » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:35 am

Coachmann wrote:I remember Class 24’s, 25’s and 40’s on the Oldham loop

Oh Goody!

I’ve got an excuse to build a JLTRT 40 now. :D

Andy – this is looking really good. I’ve been following your travails with DCC as I’m about to install the NCE system on Heyside. You did give me some moments of reflection I must admit.

I’m hoping to get up to Manchester to see New Hey in the flesh. That’s if work doesn’t get in the way :(

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Re: New Hey – what a difference 7 weeks makes…

Postby johnd » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:15 am

Hi AndiGood to see New Hey as the lead article in the RM. Will be at Manchester to see it in the flesh.

Thought 47’s only made it to Oldham Clegg St depot for the parcels traffic,if usisng modellers licence then 31’s could be used, some good pics of the place in “Newton Heath Loco’s at work” will you be recreating them as is possible at Manchester 46418 piloting Jubs ? etc

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Re: New Hey – what a difference 7 weeks makes…

Postby Coachmann » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:39 am

Thought 47’s only made it to Oldham Clegg St depot for the parcels traffic,if usisng modellers licence then 31’s could be used, some good pics of the place in “Newton Heath Loco’s at work” will you be recreating them as is possible at Manchester 46418 piloting Jubs ? etc

Must say I always regarded Class 31’s (and 37’s) as Eastern Region locos. Regarding double headed steam around the loop, I think it is a case of anything goes (!) after seeing an LYR 0-6-0 speed through Oldham Central non-stop double heading with Austerity 2-8-0 on passenger, probably en route to a soccer match.

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Re: New Hey – what a difference 7 weeks makes…

Postby Andy C » Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:55 pm

If the truth be known the 37 is an imposter – its scheduled for the next layout!! The story behind the 37 is that a few years ago I bought a green one which was converted to P4 and to be renumbered as D6864 which Ian Holt photographed on a van train in Rochdale Station 19/08 1967. (Manchester and Leeds Railway, Martin Bairstow 1987)At that time it was intended for the MMRS Slattocks junction layout with the attendant vans (I still have these to build!) but the period on Slattocks got put back to the late 50s so the 37 was supernumary. As I already had the blue one for mty next layout, Sparthbottom PCD, I got a EM conversion set in the post from that nice Mr Rogers at Ultrascale – conversion was done the other day and i have yet to switch bodies – it doesnt take a quantum leap to put the loco down the loop on Parcels for Clegg Street PCD.

Class 24, 25 and 40 all were regulars and with the exception of the 40 all will appear during shows. I could be bribed though to do a wheen pull on my Bachmann 40 which again is scheduled for Spartthbottom!

Cheers for the comments chaps – fame and fortune beckons (not) I was in Arcadia Models at Lunchtime to get a couple of bits and bobs (and still avoiding Tim pressing a Standard 4 into my mitts) and got accosted by someone saying are you the guy who’s built this – pointing at the article. i did offer Tim that i would be prepared to do an autograph session on the Modeller in return for a Standard 4 gratis, but he wasnt impressed by my what I thought over generous offer :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :D

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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby Andy C » Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:14 pm

And now its published – Railway of the Month in RM!Not seen an issue yet (maybe later when we go down to Tesco for the weekly shop) so i dont know where Steves blue pencil has struck on the article but id be interested to hear peoples feedback as Ive tried to write it differently – if you can do such a thing about a model railway layout! :wink:

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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby MartinWales » Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:17 pm

Now it’s worth getting it just for that……. :mrgreen:
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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby mozzer models » Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:21 pm

Andy will you be building something for this layout at the huddersfield show like last year
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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby Andy C » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:18 pm

mozzer models wrote:Andy will you be building something for this layout at the huddersfield show like last year

Im not sure yet what Im doing – Ive got a couple of ground signals to do yet and the point rodding and then its all finished (oh and make the signals work but Ive now sussed that knotty little problem out) I also mentioned i might do a bit of a weathering clinic but I wont have much of that to do – possibly T cut the Staniers as well!!

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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby samkiller42 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:25 pm

Wow, the layout is looking great, good job.Sam

Can’t actually decide what layout i want to build, that’s not a good start
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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby luton town » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:22 am

this layout,is amazing just bought the new railway modeller magazine, and the pictures really justify the layout
great job :thup
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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby Barry Ten » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:54 am

Enjoyed the RM article, Andy – good to get an overview, and I liked the writing style. Got a good chuckle out of the “gas works” reference – good job some of us have a sense of humour :D
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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby Andy C » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:42 pm

I did notice that one or two of the original drafts “fun poking” lines had been actually taken out, having said that there seemed to be very remarkable lack of blue pencil !Had most of the afternoon off due to an excess of flexi time credit (currently running at 2 and a half days :wall ) so spent the time cutting Plasticard for the platelayers hut.

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Here the 30 thou has been marked out and cut to size and the windows / door apertures lightly scribed pending putting in the arched tops. The ends are joined in an overlap, neccessitating a cut of just under a mil short either side of the base structure.

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Here the arches have been scribed suing the Olfa compass cutter seen in the pic – the base structure is then mated with the embossed brick plasticard and sweated on using butanone. The sides are then scored along the edges to cut them out taking care to leave the overlap on all adjoining sides.

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All 4 sides cut out – you cant see the overlaps as I realised I’d taken the pic with the brickwork sunny side up :wall Where the brrick cladding joins there is an immediate line – I dislike chamfering building sides, too much to go wrong – but its very easy to scribe in the brick courses through.

More to come on this construction later this weekend but although the layout is in Manchester Show, my job of being Exhibition Manager doesn’t stop – Ive got to brief the troops down at Dean Hall tonight :shock: At least Ive served notice that during the show Im going to be behind the layout.

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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby Phil » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:49 am

Hi Andy CCongratulations to you and your team on such a very believable layout. Your workrate is amazing and I am very pleased to see that you have recovered from the DCC stress suffered at Chasewater.

Would it be too cheeky to ask you to show us a jpeg of your olfa cutter actually on an offcut of plastic to show how it works. I’ve heard of them but never seen one.

Thanks very much

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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby griffsculls » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:16 am

Barry Ten wrote:Enjoyed the RM article, Andy – good to get an overview, and I liked the writing style. Got a good chuckle out of the “gas works” reference – good job some of us have a sense of humour :D

I second that – a very interesting article.

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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby Andy C » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:54 pm

Phil wrote:Hi Andy CCongratulations to you and your team on such a very believable layout. Your workrate is amazing and I am very pleased to see that you have recovered from the DCC stress suffered at Chasewater.

Would it be too cheeky to ask you to show us a jpeg of your olfa cutter actually on an offcut of plastic to show how it works. I’ve heard of them but never seen one.

Thanks very much

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New Hey – Railway modeller article

Postby tuvak » Sun Sep 13, 2009 8:18 pm

I’ve follow this thread for a while, as much to to see andy’s model building skills, wish mine was as goodBut this is also just to say congrats on brillant article in this mths railyway modeller, it show the layout well
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Thanks again for this thread :clap

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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby Coachmann » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:01 pm

One for Andy, I went to Llangollen yesterday to see the newly restored BR Std. 2-6-4T steaming again after 44 years. The fast non-stop run from Llangollen to Carrog brought to mind memories of trips around the Oldham loop in your area…

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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby Dave Holt » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:06 pm

Andy,May I add my concratulations on a superb looking layout and excellent RM article, to those already posted?

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the thread, so far, and look forward to more updates – also gained a few useful ideas for my own layout effort. I shall make a big effort to get to Manchester to see New Hey in action – shame the show coincides with our (blues) band re-union gig (after a 10 month lay-off), so getting up there for a sensible time might be a bit of a struggle – but I’m sure it’ll be worth it! I see from an earlier photo that you have a rather well adorned Strat. Just for fun or are you also in a band?

Thinking back, I don’t think I ever went to or through New Hey by train. My experience of the Oldham Loop in steam days was mainly the Oldham to Manchester route via Hollinwood (and one rather disconcerting trip down the Werneth incline, at night, on the way to Scotland – my mother was convinced we were on the wrong train, because we didn’t go through the regular stations, and we would miss our of connections (Wigan NW and Inverness, as I recall – I was only 7 so not that sure) – non-corridor stock, so we couldn’t ask the guard – but it all worked out in the end!). Regular Sunday trips round Newton Heath – never thrown out or even told off – great! Also used to walk down to Royton Junction from my grandparents’ house in Derker some times and had family friends in Shaw, but went on the bus rather than by train.

Any way, good luck with final pre-show additions and looking forward to enjoying it in the flesh.

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Re: New Hey – No rest till Manchester!

Postby Andy C » Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:44 pm

Cheers DaveGot to say I quite enjoy the “blog” aspect of the thread its quite cathartic in a way!!

The Strat actually belongs to my youngest son, though I can (just about) play it – we are a bit of a musical family really, he plays the guitar and trombone (currently working in the Clachaig in Glencoe and joining in various brass sections in the bands playing at the pub freelance), Eldest son who played Eb Tuba for various brass / wind bands till he went to Uni and now wants to get back into it (getting a tuba on and off a survey ship in the North Sea is a bit problematic however) and myself who plays Bb bass and / or Baritone Horn in brass bands!!

I’ll be posting a few more pics of the platelayers hut in the next day or so but I am going to Tottington Band tonight for a blow!

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Re: New Hey – Not a Pizza hut!

Postby Andy C » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:40 pm

I lied!Didnt go to Tottington tonight so a bit more work on the platelayers hut was completed. Doors detailed (notice the padlock!!) and some painting done. the lean to hut at the rear was a roofing felt covered ramshackle affair and i have represented this by using one ply of a paper hanky flooded with plastic weld. It was then painted using a dilute dark grey – using the same paint left over to prime the roofing slates.

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Imediately after these were taken I primed the brick work using Precision brick red. Once dry i will build on the colour of the brickwork using a selection of water colour pencils to tone the individual bricks, after putting the mortar wash in. I also finished the slates off. Windows next then the guttering, downpipes, felt battens and doors will be painted in a weathered wood colour as this hut was pretty run dowm by the 60s.

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Re: New Hey – Don’t you hut me baby…….

Postby Andy C » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:19 pm

The platelayers hut is now RTP (Ready to Plonk) on the layout.It marks quite a milestone as this will be the last building to go on – all that remains now is the point rodding and the ground signals (oh and Ive decided to put a few trees on that are visible in some pictures!!

As with all these things its the painting that takes time, Brickwork picked out with watercolour pencils (brown, red, blue)then a matt varnish to seal, woodwork done. windows cut from plasticard and microstrip added, but Im reasonably pleased to say its been a quickie!

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Re: New Hey – More stock conversions

Postby Andy C » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:05 pm

OK change of emphasis today – one of the problems Ive been facing as a cosequence of saying bye bye to DCC is the double headed Wakes special. The solution has been an extreme one – take the motor out of the Jubilee. Not as daft as it seems as id originally pulled out the bachman wheels to EM on this baby and it seemed to run well. However something jammed whilst running and the gear wheel started to spin, so the solution is maybe not as extreme as one thinks.Ive put my favourite Romfords in on 3mm axles and it runs quite freely, which is important in a non – powered loco Its just waiting 24 hours now for the loctite 601 to set before being reunited with body. Originally this loco was going to be 45661 Vernon built from a Brassmasters kit, but i needed a quick solution and when Bachman brought out theirs whey hey. I’m going to leave the plates for Vernon in the wardrobe with the brassmaster jub – this is going to be Newton heath’s baddun, 45642 Boscawen – reputedly a poor runner if not the worst of the jubilees, but seemingly never short of work in the area.

Note the spacing washers on the leading axle to reduce side play – I also file down the con rod to half thickness as well as taking a good shave off the retainig nut to ensure enough space behind the slide bars without any fouling. Washers are also on the other two axles, but a deal less to allow some sideplay for the tighter curves of the return boards.

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the next project has just had the numbers and lettering taken off – the wheels are ready to fix in.

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Re: New Hey – More stock conversions

Postby Andy C » Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:23 pm

Things to do while waiting for loctite to cure No 1.stick the hut on the layout

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Took a bit longer than anticipated as it involved hacking some scenery out before the plonking took place, then reinstating the wild grasslands leading to the appropriately named Jubilee Crossing.

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